Nick Against the World (54 Viewers)
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With all due respect, I disagree. Let me break the argument into pieces, to see if that helps me make myself understood.
1.When someone loses a grandparent (for example), it is in the normal course of human events (ie, old people eventually die).
Without being too philosophical, we are either sorry for them or we are not sorry for them. Put another way, we either do not believe that they have gone to a better place, or we do.
In this case, you are correct: a death is a death
2. We all (regardless of religious belief or lack thereof) feel sorry for ourselves, so to speak. We feel the loss of a loved one, in other words
3. Given #2--I have lost all my grandparents--to old age. Was I sad? You bet. Am I sad? You bet. There is not a day that I don't miss them or feel their absence in my life.
Having said that, I can not begin to imagine how angry/shocked I'd be if some crazy prick had killed them over a dubious ideology. In other words, it would have added anger to grief in that case...which would have made the loss worse for me.
I hope you have, and will continue to have, your grandparents for many, many years. When you do lose them, I dare say it will change your perspective. Trust me on that one.
4. We are falling into a logical trap....we have been duped a bit by Seven.
How? He has us all thinking that the Towers were a rest home filled with 99 year olds who were going to die anyway.
They most certainly were not. The overwhelmingly vast majority were parent age....say 20-50. Those families have lost fathers and mothers. Many, incidentally, were Muslim.
Dan, I am not directing this at you in any way, and if I have somehow offended you, I apologize.
1.When someone loses a grandparent (for example), it is in the normal course of human events (ie, old people eventually die).
Without being too philosophical, we are either sorry for them or we are not sorry for them. Put another way, we either do not believe that they have gone to a better place, or we do.
In this case, you are correct: a death is a death
2. We all (regardless of religious belief or lack thereof) feel sorry for ourselves, so to speak. We feel the loss of a loved one, in other words
3. Given #2--I have lost all my grandparents--to old age. Was I sad? You bet. Am I sad? You bet. There is not a day that I don't miss them or feel their absence in my life.
Having said that, I can not begin to imagine how angry/shocked I'd be if some crazy prick had killed them over a dubious ideology. In other words, it would have added anger to grief in that case...which would have made the loss worse for me.
I hope you have, and will continue to have, your grandparents for many, many years. When you do lose them, I dare say it will change your perspective. Trust me on that one.
4. We are falling into a logical trap....we have been duped a bit by Seven.
How? He has us all thinking that the Towers were a rest home filled with 99 year olds who were going to die anyway.
They most certainly were not. The overwhelmingly vast majority were parent age....say 20-50. Those families have lost fathers and mothers. Many, incidentally, were Muslim.
Dan, I am not directing this at you in any way, and if I have somehow offended you, I apologize.
FFS I've lost a sister as well. My grandfather was merely an example. People DIE. Why they die is simply irrelevant. The result is the same.
And guess what Lou, we're all going to die anyway. Who are you to say that the victims of 9/11 were going to live longer than my grandfather? You're not sure about that, now are you? Chances are they would have, but guess what, only God knows. And you're most definitely not some devine force, so don't act like one.
And guess what Lou, we're all going to die anyway. Who are you to say that the victims of 9/11 were going to live longer than my grandfather? You're not sure about that, now are you? Chances are they would have, but guess what, only God knows. And you're most definitely not some devine force, so don't act like one.
Why are you so angry?
1. Never said I was divine, God forbid
2. Ok, let's try this from another angle, on a much, much smaller scale.
A friend of yours comes to your house, excited with the announcement that he's getting married. He shows you a picture of his wife to be...and she's, well, let's say unattractive.
Do you tell him, on his day, "Boy, she sure is a bowser" ? I think not.
Multiply how your friend would feel if you did tell him that by, oh, say 10000, and you'll get an idea of how badly an American would feel if you made light of 9/11 on 9/11.
Not saying it was done intentionally on your part, but the result is the same.
As the old saying goes, in this case "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".
Again, I am not aiming that at you personally.
1. Never said I was divine, God forbid
2. Ok, let's try this from another angle, on a much, much smaller scale.
A friend of yours comes to your house, excited with the announcement that he's getting married. He shows you a picture of his wife to be...and she's, well, let's say unattractive.
Do you tell him, on his day, "Boy, she sure is a bowser" ? I think not.
Multiply how your friend would feel if you did tell him that by, oh, say 10000, and you'll get an idea of how badly an American would feel if you made light of 9/11 on 9/11.
Not saying it was done intentionally on your part, but the result is the same.
As the old saying goes, in this case "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".
Again, I am not aiming that at you personally.
No need to apologise Mr nice guy.. you didnt name call or anything so its all good!
What seven said.. grandparents were only an example.
in death the means doesnt matter- the end is always death.
It perhaps depends on the person, but I would just as be pissed off/sad if my mum died in a plane crash, cancer, shooting etc. The only thing that would perhaps add to the sadness is if she would of died in a horiffic way, like lets say eaten alive by cannabils or something.
What seven said.. grandparents were only an example.
in death the means doesnt matter- the end is always death.
It perhaps depends on the person, but I would just as be pissed off/sad if my mum died in a plane crash, cancer, shooting etc. The only thing that would perhaps add to the sadness is if she would of died in a horiffic way, like lets say eaten alive by cannabils or something.