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The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
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I had it at "Cruise Ship Crooner".


Well, I gave up on any Scudetto thoughts after we lost in Messina, but that's fine as Capello has achieved much having to rebuild after last season's disaster. I did not expect to still be leading after 33 weeks, and I'm not expecting to win it, but still, this is nice:
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
No sorry.


Not Old Blue Eyes...Not Dean Martin or Louis Prima.

This singer was actually a law student who paid his tuition by moonlighting as a singer on Cruise ships.

His name

SILVIO BERLUSCONI
Couldn't land a recording contract, so he bought all the media companies. ;)
 
Jan 7, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


I wish I could see what Andy saw myself, as I will definitely side with Paul on this one. The game was painful to watch, looked incredibly painful on the pitch with all the fouls, and I think it's only short of a miracle that there was any score at all in the match -- given the lack of awarded penalty kicks.

i kept switching back and forth between the game and much music who had that Hot/Not show

hence the format of my game review
 

Chxta

Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
Nov 1, 2004
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Berlusconi is a controversial figure at times. In one widely reported incident, upon being criticised by a German member of the European parliament Martin Schulz (SPD) during Italy's presidency, Berlusconi reacted with the words "Mr. Schulz, I know there is a producer in Italy who is making a film on the Nazi concentration camps. I will suggest you for the role of kapo. You'd be perfect." The reference to the Nazis caused an uproar in the 626-seat assembly and a short diplomatic crisis between Italy and Germany.

On another occasion, he stated that "Mussolini's regime hadn't killed a single person" and that Mussolini "just used to send opposers on holiday" thus apparently denying or dismissing a long series of fascist crimes, from the murder of Giacomo Matteotti to the ill-famous fascist concentration camps (Rab, Gonars, etc.). Berlusconi later claimed that he did not mean to white-wash Mussolini, that he only reacted to a comparison, which he felt unfair, between the fascist dictator and Saddam Hussein.

One of Berlusconi's strongest critics in the media outside Italy is the British weekly The Economist (nicknamed by Berlusconi "The Ecommunist"). The war of words between Berlusconi and the Economist has been infamous and widely reported, with Berlusconi taking the publication to court in Rome while the Economist publishing open letters against him [6] (http://www.hebig.org/blogs/archives/main/001105.php).

In any event, according to The Economist, Berlusconi, in his position as prime minister of Italy, now has effective control of 90% of all national television broadcasting. [7] (http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=593654) This figure includes stations he owns directly as well as those he has indirect control of through his position as Prime Minister and his ability to influence the choice of the management bodies of these stations.

Berlusconi's extensive control of the media has been linked to claims that Italy's media shows limited freedom of expression. The Freedom of the Press 2004 Global Survey, an annual study issued by the American organization Freedom House, downgraded Italy's ranking from 'Free' to 'Partly Free' [8] (http://www.freedomhouse.org/media/pressrel/042804.htm) on the basis of Berlusconi's influence over RAI, a ranking which, in "Western Europe" was shared only with Turkey (2005). Reporters Without Borders states that in 2004, "The conflict of interests involving prime minister Silvio Berlusconi and his vast media empire was still not resolved and continued to threaten news diversity".[9] (http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=10148) In April 2004, the International Federation of Journalists joined the criticism, objecting to the passage of a law vetoed by Carlo Azeglio Ciampi in 2003, which critics believe is designed to protect Berlusconi's alleged 90% control of national media. [10] (http://www.ifj-europe.org/default.asp?index=2451&Language=EN)

In response to such claims, Mediaset, Berlusconi's television group has stated that it uses the same criteria as the public (state-owned) television RAI in assigning a proper visibility to all the most important political parties and movements (the so-called 'Par Condicio'). It is also true that while the distribution of newspapers is in Italy is lower than most other European countries (100 copies per 1000 individuals compared to 500 per 1000 in Scandinavian countries, for example [11] (http://www.nikkei-ad.com/media_data/ad/jpmarket/paperinjp.html)), the majority of national press, which includes the three italian largest printed dailies, La Repubblica, Il Corriere della Sera and La Stampa, tends to report independently of the Berlusconi government or (in the case of La Repubblica, among the three major newspapers cited above) to be very openly critic of it. In the meantime the competition between his own company Mediaset and RAI has become more intense with both groups trying hard to increase their own market share.

The conflict of interest issues can be better understood in the context of the structure of control of the state media. The board of directors of RAI is appointed by both presidents of law-makers' chambers (Senate and Deputies). Although the presidents are chosen by the majority group, they are traditionally chosen in order to be acceptable by the opposition too. As of 2004 these positions are occupied by Marcello Pera and Pierferdinando Casini respectively. This consensus solution is typical of the Italian political system: the Constitution was approved in 1948, just after the fascist era, one of its most important aims being to carefully balance the different powers, thus avoiding concentration of excessive powers in any single person or institution. The Italian parliament established an oversight commission for radio and TV broadcasting services in 1975, including members of all parties. The chairman of this commission is traditionally a representative of the opposition (at the present time a member of DS-Ulivo party) [12] (http://www.parlamento.it/leg/14/Bgt/Schede/Commissioni/4-00060.htm))
 

Respaul

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
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Its interesting that in this case you take an article (from wikipedia iianm) that is 99% taken from bbc news articles to highlight a point, yet elsewhere you disregard what the bbc say as lies and half truths (not too mention other news sources).... Get some consistency
 
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IncuboRossonero

IncuboRossonero

Inferiority complex
Nov 16, 2003
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    ++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++
    whats your point with that article? you offer no intro..no conclusion but just post an article on Berlusconi. What are you trying to say? JUST SAY IT.

    Post after post I see you here posting but you really have nothing to say...you don't offer opinions..you don't offer an insight and you don't contribute anything.
    I could have read that article and I have..however, I chose to make my opinions based on more than just what an article tells me.

    for the sake of justifying your 'existence' here...be creative/original or just post something with a point.
     

    The Pado

    Filthy Gobbo
    Jul 12, 2002
    9,939
    I'll say it:

    Sivio Berlusconi is too conservative for my taste. However, he is a great man, and a self-made millionaire. He created a business empire with his own hands, out of nothing. He then became the Prime Minister of Italy, twice. His critics are many and there are the corruption accusations, however these usually come from the people who have achieved nothing for themselves, had everything handed to them by family, created nothing and lack the brains to engage in empire-building.

    Simple enough, really.
     

    Vinman

    2013 Prediction Cup Champ
    Jul 16, 2002
    11,482
    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


    What was exciting about it andy...
    I jus saw two teams playing awful football (for the most part anyway) and kicking the crap out of each other with neither ever looking like scoring... with an awful ref who didnt have the bottle to pull out the red card or point at the spot.

    As a game with a massive world wide audience, personally i thought it was an embarassment to serie a.



    Yeah, it was well taken ... shame about the rest of his play though
    Careful Paul....

    you may be branded as a non Juve fan with those comments.....:D
     

    Vinman

    2013 Prediction Cup Champ
    Jul 16, 2002
    11,482
    Andy,

    looks like the USA is shit outta luck, again......


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    unless you have DirecTV and 12 extra dollars a month
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
    39,325
    ++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
    I'll say it:

    Sivio Berlusconi is too conservative for my taste. However, he is a great man, and a self-made millionaire. He created a business empire with his own hands, out of nothing. He then became the Prime Minister of Italy, twice. His critics are many and there are the corruption accusations, however these usually come from the people who have achieved nothing for themselves, had everything handed to them by family, created nothing and lack the brains to engage in empire-building.

    Simple enough, really.
    Hmmmm.... no smoke without fire...
     

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