Nick Against the World (58 Viewers)

[Seven]

Now you must make a distinction here. Scientific research in various fields is indeed useful, including historical changes in the perception of disease that might have to do with alterations in culture or improvement in medicine. Writing is obviously very important in life as communication is everything in a society. But the thing is, Andries, every single person in a well developed society should be able to write to a standard and communicate with the rest of the population. This whole semester I have been writing research laboratory abstracts based on topics in science I have never really studied. The whole purpose of the class is to tutor students in writing research papers that upholds the usual facets of the scientific community. While this might seem necessary to some, the class was a breeze because writing is something you've been taught to do since you were young. It's merely a necessity in a society.

Knowing something about history perhaps is not a necessity while being a part of a community, but it doesn't take much to study it. In fact, even if you barely watch the news everyday in your life, you are learning about news that will become history once the event is over, so absolutely any person with a sufficient IQ can study history. It's merely memorization of facts while understanding the world around you, which, in my opinion, is something every citizen in this world should strive for. Learning about historical topics is something every reasonable citizen should be open to.

But the whole point of my rant after you alluded to me being arrogant about my field of study, is that historical facts are easy to obtain. The only necessity in being a mediocre history major is the ability to read and retain facts. Anybody has the ability to do so. That's the reason why I say history majors come at a dime a dozen, as the necessary skills are skills that anybody in a working society must have to succeed at absolutely anything. Verbal communication and written communication are both integral to any job you may want to persue, especially in business. If you're a business major and cannot communicate worth a shit, you are shit.

No matter how many historians there are in this world, 9/11 still would have been a part of our history. A "no-arbitrage argument" to counter your statement is that if the world was full of historians, there would still be personal bias, religious bias, and bias between ethnicities as that comes with the human race. Therefore, 9/11 would still have been possible.

While I do admit that such research is beneficial to society, along with the verbiage that sum up the research, I think it must be said that your paper involves sifting through documents and researching information. Or in other words, discovering details you don't possess in your historical database in your brain. My point is that history majors are not the only group of people who could perform such a task. That's all. Give Greg or Burke the task and wage to complete a report on the cultural fascinations with acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, and they should be able to produce a respectable report. But give different citizens material in physics, and they won't even be able to understand it unless they have taken several courses that prepare them for the calculus and physics involved therein the material.

You don't seem to be much into the American dream huh.. anyone can be anything... Whether you like it or not, I could have done what you're doing right now. I'm more than intelligent enough to do so. I could have become a doctor, I could have studied economy. History was a choice, Andy.

Writing takes an effort, Andy. You for example, aren't a good writer. Papers you write are no doubt difficult to read because you want them to sound difficult. And you might think that other people are just as good as writing papers as history majors, every day life tells me otherwise. It's simply not true. Even people who study language or law write far worse.

There's also part of the research naturally. A history major knows where to look when trying to obtain information. It's not simply delivering papers, it's delivering papers at a fast rate. Which is why history majors are excellent journalists.

Last but not least: I know you've got this whole The Day After Tomorrow syndrom, but really, what are the chances you're going to save the world, pal?

 

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[The Pado]

Burke, sometimes a friend has to say it. Well stated.

 

[The Pado]

The only way to get the English out of Compton is to beat them out of Compton

 

[swag]

But I really do love what they've done with the festive and playful "vineyard" accents around their curtain rods.

 

[Bjerknes]

Burke, I am no longer your friend.

 

[Bjerknes]

Burke, sometimes a friend has to say it. Well stated.

No, it wasn't. I actually gave reasoning in my post that confirms history is indeed. very important. He just doesn't understand.

 

[swag]

To throw in my two salt wheels here, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about what a history major can actually apply in a society. I've had the benefit of living with two history PhD students while I was off in bioengineering-land at Berkeley. One of the guys was researching revolutionary history.

It wasn't the rote stuff about who bent over whom on what date, as you might think. It was more about analyzing patterns of behavior and the historical context of how events play out given certain social and economic conditions of the times. While walking past a People's Park anniversary rally on Berkeley campus, when the rocks started to fly at cops, and when we started to be chased off the sidewalks by formations of cops on motorcycles followed by riot police firing rubber bullets, my housemate was furiously taking notes as if it were a research project.

And yes, the guy wrote papers and knew a few rote facts. But to say the guy applied no analytical thinking to his work is a gross misunderstanding. Today the guy is working for a major bank, providing contextual research and analysis on developing economies in Africa to help inform the bank's risk assessments of various infrastructure and development investments in the country -- given the preconditions of the social, political, and economic environment of the area in question.

In short, the application of historical research can be a lot like weather forecasting. And it's not, necessarily, just writing and reciting facts -- and the sort of thing one can readily do with just the basic, relatively unspecialized skills of functioning as an educated person in society.

 

[Bjerknes]

You don't seem to be much into the American dream huh.. anyone can be anything... Whether you like it or not, I could have done what you're doing right now. I'm more than intelligent enough to do so. I could have become a doctor, I could have studied economy. History was a choice, Andy.

There's also part of the research naturally. A history major knows where to look when trying to obtain information. It's not simply delivering papers, it's delivering papers at a fast rate. Which is why history majors are excellent journalists.

Look, Andries, I'm not blasting you for choosing History as your major. The great thing about free societies is that you can choose what you want to be, as that's the way it should be. People have different talents, and you have a talent in languages which seemingly comes easy to you and should be respected.

Writing takes an effort, Andy. You for example, aren't a good writer. Papers you write are no doubt difficult to read because you want them to sound difficult. And you might think that other people are just as good as writing papers as history majors, every day life tells me otherwise. It's simply not true. Even people who study language or law write far worse.

But you haven't seen any of my papers, Hex. So you can't really assume I'm a terrible writer. I don't really "try hard" when it comes to writing posts on this forum, nor do I care about spell-checking or organizing my thoughts concretely.

I took the Honors English course at Penn State (not the usual course) and the people I met were not history majors. In fact, I don't know any history major taking a higher level writing course. Why? Because if you want to be successful in such a field as history, writing is a prerequisite. Check out the course load for history majors here:

http://www3.la.psu.edu/histrlst/Forms/histreq-chklst.pdf

Not much writing required. So most people here won't be as successful as you probably will be.

Man, look at that shit. If I was a history major at Penn State, I would be drinking almost everyday. Thank goodness I'm not.

Last but not least: I know you've got this whole The Day After Tomorrow syndrom, but really, what are the chances you're going to save the world, pal?

Man, I'm not going to save the world. In fact, I actually promote climate change as that would make people such as myself much better off since more companies across the globe would need weather derivatives to hedge against weather extremes in a changing climate. It would make the weather more difficult to predict with no decent historical data, and thus we could see all sorts of different weather derivative products offered on markets because that is the only real solution to stop companies from losing money.

So I'm thinking keep driving your Hummers, keep producing harmful greenhouse gasses that deplete the constituents of ozone. The more radiance that penetrates the ozone layer and reaches the surface, the better.

It's just humorous how people say global warming is not possible when the science says it is possible. It is indeed possible as the less ozone we have in the stratosphere, the less radiation is emitted back to space. 99.999% of people who say the Global Warming potential is a farce don't know the slightest about radiative transfer. Probably most couldn't understand it anyway.

 

[Bjerknes]

To throw in my two salt wheels here, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about what a history major can actually apply in a society. I've had the benefit of living with two history PhD students while I was off in bioengineering-land at Berkeley. One of the guys was researching revolutionary history.

It wasn't the rote stuff about who bent over whom on what date, as you might think. It was more about analyzing patterns of behavior and the historical context of how events play out given certain social and economic conditions of the times. While walking past a People's Park anniversary rally on Berkeley campus, when the rocks started to fly at cops, and when we started to be chased off the sidewalks by formations of cops on motorcycles followed by riot police firing rubber bullets, my housemate was furiously taking notes as if it were a research project.

And yes, the guy wrote papers and knew a few rote facts. But to say the guy applied no analytical thinking to his work is a gross misunderstanding. Today the guy is working for a major bank, providing contextual research and analysis on developing economies in Africa to help inform the bank's risk assessments of various infrastructure and development investments in the country -- given the preconditions of the social, political, and economic environment of the area in question.

In short, the application of historical research can be a lot like weather forecasting. And it's not, necessarily, just writing and reciting facts -- and the sort of thing one can readily do with just the basic, relatively unspecialized skills of functioning as an educated person in society.

Now that is certainly respectable. But that's Berkeley for you, one of the top ten universities in the world.

But do you get what I'm trying to say, Greg? I know you could be very successful with different degrees in history while drinking down several Hurricanes every week.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Burke, I am no longer your friend.

Whatever man, the reason I said it was because I am your friend and I do give a shit about you.

 

[Bjerknes]

Whatever man, the reason I said it was because I am your friend and I do give a shit about you.

I certainly give a shit about you as well, but if you want to hang out with Corey, then go hang out with Corey and don't mind me. But once you realize he doesn't care about you, laughs at your hardships, never says thank you, makes jokes about everything your family does for him, don't make me say I told you so. That's all I have to say.

 

[Enron]

Look, Andries, I'm not blasting you for choosing History as your major. The great thing about free societies is that you can choose what you want to be, as that's the way it should be. People have different talents, and you have a talent in languages which seemingly comes easy to you and should be respected.



But you haven't seen any of my papers, Hex. So you can't really assume I'm a terrible writer. I don't really "try hard" when it comes to writing posts on this forum, nor do I care about spell-checking or organizing my thoughts concretely.

I took the Honors English course at Penn State (not the usual course) and the people I met were not history majors. In fact, I don't know any history major taking a higher level writing course. Why? Because if you want to be successful in such a field as history, writing is a prerequisite. Check out the course load for history majors here:

http://www3.la.psu.edu/histrlst/Forms/histreq-chklst.pdf

Not much writing required. So most people here won't be as successful as you probably will be.

Man, look at that shit. If I was a history major at Penn State, I would be drinking almost everyday. Thank goodness I'm not.







Man, I'm not going to save the world. In fact, I actually promote climate change as that would make people such as myself much better off since more companies across the globe would need weather derivatives to hedge against weather extremes in a changing climate. It would make the weather more difficult to predict with no decent historical data, and thus we could see all sorts of different weather derivative products offered on markets because that is the only real solution to stop companies from losing money.

So I'm thinking keep driving your Hummers, keep producing harmful greenhouse gasses that deplete the constituents of ozone. The more radiance that penetrates the ozone layer and reaches the surface, the better.

It's just humorous how people say global warming is not possible when the science says it is possible. It is indeed possible as the less ozone we have in the stratosphere, the less radiation is emitted back to space. 99.999% of people who say the Global Warming potential is a farce don't know the slightest about radiative transfer. Probably most couldn't understand it anyway.

So I'm guessing Andy has never taken an upper level History course. If he had he would realize that an upper lever history course is an upper level Writing course. Coming from both ends of the spectrum (I was one an english/history double major) I would have to say that History papers are far more difficult and require more thinking than English or Science papers. Not only do you have to provide a thesis but you have to come to a conclusion when you don't always have concrete facts as a lot of sources in History are secondary or tertiary in contrast to science and english where you are give the primary facts right off the bat.

 

[Bjerknes]

I would have to say that History papers are far more difficult and require more thinking than English or Science papers. Not only do you have to provide a thesis but you have to come to a conclusion when you don't always have concrete facts as a lot of sources in History are secondary or tertiary in contrast to science and english where you are give the primary facts right off the bat.

Before you make such an assertion, try writing a research report about Using Light-Use and Production Efficiency Models to Predict Forest Production and Carbon Exchange During Canopy Disturbance Events and actually make sense. You don't only need a thesis, you need to know what the hell you're talking about, which in this case is more difficult to understand than the cultural values of certain societies.

History can sometimes be understood with living in a society and retaining facts. Science cannot.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I certainly give a shit about you as well, but if you want to hang out with Corey, then go hang out with Corey and don't mind me. But once you realize he doesn't care about you, laughs at your hardships, never says thank you, makes jokes about everything your family does for him, don't make me say I told you so. That's all I have to say.

It was an example, it's not about Corey, but It's not that big of a deal, was just drunk and had to get some shit off my sternum.

 

[Enron]

Before you make such an assertion, try writing a research report about Using Light-Use and Production Efficiency Models to Predict Forest Production and Carbon Exchange During Canopy Disturbance Events and actually make sense. You don't only need a thesis, you need to know what the hell you're talking about, which in this case is more difficult to understand than the cultural values of certain societies.

History can sometimes be understood with living in a society and retaining facts. Science cannot.

How about a paper expressing the ratio of cancer cases to superfund sites in West Virginia, but since you insist on a Meteo paper I will entertain you. In order to write a paper on Using Light-Use and Production Efficiency Models to Predict Forest Production and Carbon Exchange During Canopy Disturbance Events and make sense you probably need to have done some sort of experiment or have studied statistics dealing with said topic. Writing science papers is no more than stating facts that are proved or disproved via study. History on the other hand is the study of things that happened when you were not around and therefore you have to formulate an intelligent response of what may or may not have happened. Science papers are a walk in the park compared to a history paper, trust me. Ive done them both.

Furthermore, no one is saying History is more important than Meteorology.
Only that History is an important field of study and that those who choose its profession should not be taken lightly.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Anyway, I'm going to get drunk and play Football Manager, it's not as serious as real life, and It always asks me if I 'm sure I want to "pull a Patrick Swayze."

 

[Vinman]

is this turning into a domestic between Andy and Burke ??

please dont make come over there and separate you two

now kiss and make up

 

[swag]

But do you get what I'm trying to say, Greg? I know you could be very successful with different degrees in history while drinking down several Hurricanes every week.

I do follow that much. But history wouldn't be the first thing I'd put in my sights for ridicule. Business Administration, absolutely. But history? Probably not.

I certainly give a shit about you as well, but if you want to hang out with Corey, then go hang out with Corey and don't mind me. But once you realize he doesn't care about you, laughs at your hardships, never says thank you, makes jokes about everything your family does for him, don't make me say I told you so. That's all I have to say.

Uh oh. Love triangle!

is this turning into a domestic between Andy and Burke ??

please dont make come over there and separate you two

now kiss and make up

I don't know if my corneas have recovered enough to be ready for photos of a ball-banging make-up between Andy and Burke in this thread. :sick:

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

is this turning into a domestic between Andy and Burke ??

please dont make come over there and separate you two

now kiss and make up

I love you like a fat kid loves a cake made out of fat with a topping of Lipo...

I do follow that much. But history wouldn't be the first thing I'd put in my sights for ridicule. Business Administration, absolutely. But history? Probably not.



I don't know if my corneas have recovered enough to be ready for photos of a ball-banging make-up between Andy and Burke in this thread. :sick:

Hey, but I love being a Business major...


You wish....

 

[Vinman]

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