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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Now you're basically saying I thought engineers didn't do their job in the US. But if you'd bother to read my posts, you would have understood I was saying the exact opposite. They did complain about the Minneapolis bridge.
But the fact is, the professionals inspecting the bridges are engineers... who report to other engineers who then report to other engineers. You originally stated that such a catastrophe would never occur in Europe, and I responded by saying that you don't know anything about bridges or the people who inspect them, so how on earth can you make such a generalized statement such as that? It's the same story with the VA Tech and Finland school shootings.

Fact is, Americans tend to get over these kind of things way too fast. A bridge collapses, a lunatic student kills 10.. all forgotten within the week.
Now that's not exactly true. The Virginia Tech shootings still hold slots of various television programs, plus it's not really something you can forget about if you attend a major university. Reminders of said shootings are everywhere to be honest.

If the discussion is religion, I'm pretty damn sure I know more about it than you do, Andy. You're the one who claimed to be catholic whilst dissing the pope...
You probably know more about religions in general, but not about Catholicism. But then again, you're a history major, so your curriculum should cover the history of various major populations, including those of different religions.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,669
You can of course always twist my words a bit (I did refer to Germany back then and thus I said they rarely happened, not that they never happened) and discredit my arguments, however it must be obvious that there is a problem.

For school related shootings check this: http://www.iansa.org/documents/2006/school-shootings-statistics.pdf

There's a lot of "US" there..


These are also quite remarkable statistics:

Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000, age adjusted) for Selected Countries in one year between 1990 and 1995 (Krug, Powell and Dahlberg, 1998)
So what's your point? I'll be the first to admit that gun laws in the United States are far too loose and part of our society is infatuated with anything that is heavy and can kill somebody. But what exactly does this have to do with you stating that a school shooting would never happen in Europe?

Bullshit!


You repeatedly said school shooting "Would never happen in Western Europe".
Andries, stop trying to deny it. You did indeed state those words.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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But the fact is, the professionals inspecting the bridges are engineers... who report to other engineers who then report to other engineers. You originally stated that such a catastrophe would never occur in Europe, and I responded by saying that you don't know anything about bridges or the people who inspect them, so how on earth can you make such a generalized statement such as that? It's the same story with the VA Tech and Finland school shootings.
Any, you can blame Congress just as fast as you can blame the engineers responsible for inspecting the engineers. Many of our bridges, damns, and levees were built during the sixties and seventies and as you know, things begin to deteriorate over time and these devices are now in need of repair. Congress is responsible for maintaining our infrastructure as well as numerous other things. Every year money is budgeted for the repair of bridges, roads, and tunnels, but the amount of money allocated to infrastucture is prioritized as Congress sees fit. In the past couple of years it has been obvious that infrastructure has not been a top priority in our nation's budget, as can be seen in examples such as the flooding of New Orleans during huricane Katrina and recently as well as the Minnesota bridge collapse.
 

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Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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Meaning :shifty:

Yeah exactly BLIND :D
This is a great opportunity to through out a witty statement about how "seeing" could mean understanding, realization, and enlightentment as well as many other things. But for this case I will agree that he is blind. Meaning, it like his eyes are closed, all of the time.:D
 
Sep 26, 2007
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This is a great opportunity to through out a witty statement about how "seeing" could mean understanding, realization, and enlightentment as well as many other things. But for this case I will agree that he is blind. Meaning, it like his eyes are closed, all of the time.:D
Yeah and if you went there all I would have heard would have been :blah:
I am glad you agreed to see things my way.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Any, you can blame Congress just as fast as you can blame the engineers responsible for inspecting the engineers. Many of our bridges, damns, and levees were built during the sixties and seventies and as you know, things begin to deteriorate over time and these devices are now in need of repair. Congress is responsible for maintaining our infrastructure as well as numerous other things. Every year money is budgeted for the repair of bridges, roads, and tunnels, but the amount of money allocated to infrastucture is prioritized as Congress sees fit. In the past couple of years it has been obvious that infrastructure has not been a top priority in our nation's budget, as can be seen in examples such as the flooding of New Orleans during huricane Katrina and recently as well as the Minnesota bridge collapse.
Indeed, and the blame rests solely on Congress for such disasters if the various engineers were on top of the matter and demanding funds to execute such repairs or improvements. If I recall correctly, however, the Army Corp of Engineers fucked up in New Orleans, stating that the barrier walls were in good condition before the run up to the 2005 Hurricane Season. I'm not sure about the situation in Minneapolis though.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Indeed, and the blame rests solely on Congress for such disasters if the various engineers were on top of the matter and demanding funds to execute such repairs or improvements. If I recall correctly, however, the Army Corp of Engineers fucked up in New Orleans, stating that the barrier walls were in good condition before the run up to the 2005 Hurricane Season. I'm not sure about the situation in Minneapolis though.
Oh, blame Congress. Not that they don't play a role, but that's bureaucratic convenience at its finest.

One of my biggest complaints about Americans is that we live in a representative government, elect people in office (well, sometimes it actually gets counted ;)), and then blame our elected officials with 100% liability when hindsight shit happens and stuff gets f*cked up. It's just more of that us vs. them bullcrap mentality, when the truth is -- we are them. That's the whole frigging point of a representative democracy.

People will bitch and moan about their tax burden and refuse to support certain infrastructure investments through their congressmen, and then when the bridges and levies start collapsing it's all Congress' fault. Not that Congress shouldn't be impaled on spikes and spit at on a regular basis, but it's far too convenient and clean for a voting public to shirk all personal responsibility and roles for any of it. It's a complete cop out. It's a bit of the old saying, "You get the government you deserve." (Far less true in Darfur, of course, but much less of an excuse in the U.S.)

Katrina may have screwed over hundreds of thousands of people who were let down by their local, state, and federal governments. But the truth is they contributed to their own predicament and share some of the responsibility as well -- given who they voted for, measures they supported, where they influenced public policy for tax investments, and their personal level of engagement (or lack thereof) in public policy. (Oh man, am I starting to sounds like Seven by blaming the victims here? :shocked:)

Of course, for all my bitching about Americans, at least they're not like most Europeans -- who have only grown a cynical plaque to their psyches, where they've given up on even entertaining the possibility of influencing their fate.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Hey, I might be an arrogant son of a bitch, but who's trying to improve society here? You, who's absolutely not critical and acts as if nothing happened? I on the other hand ask questions and wonder why these things occur far more in the USA then they do in Western Europe. Please, don't tell me it's coincidence. Everyone knows that's bullshit. Just one reason, of the top of my head: it's not as easy to buy guns here as it is there.
Exactly, Rab. You see, now we're getting somewhere.

It happens in the USA, in Brazil, in Colombia, in Uruguay, but it doesn't happen in Belgium, France or the Netherlands. Now do I really need to lay the cards down for you?
Statistics don't lie. Tell me, when's the last time 31 students were brutally murdered in a Western European university?

I won't go any further, because quite honestly it's so damn blatant.
Sure, I antagonised a bit by saying it supposedly doesn't happen a few times, but you can see that in every serious post I referred to statistics and used exact figures. Jem83 was talking about human emotions the entire thread, Pado was joking away and Vinman was well being Vinman.
 
Apr 12, 2004
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I'd like to shag that bible-thumper's hot ass wife. :D
Word to that...

Does anyone know how I can send a drunken video email of me, a chocolate bar, and a coffe can to my friend in Cyprus who only speaks Swahili?
:lol2:

I can give it to his brother.....you are sending it to Dudu Freaknuts, right?


You can just tell him to watch while he is in the USA for the Krazy Dance Mountain Dew competition.
 

The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
9,939
Seven, I know it is extremely bold to say that an event could NEVER happen, but I'll say this: The crowd trouble we saw a Bergamo yesterday . . . Never in the USA. We have some crowd trouble of course, but when a small minority gets in the way of the masses who plunked down real cash for their match tickets, every rowdy gets his ass carried out of the stadium by 50 good citizens. DAT SHIT DON'T FLY IN DIS HERE BUSHTOPIA.
 

Turdhead

Chickenegro no funny
Jan 14, 2005
3,106
I know the world is the same. Give a greasy wop immo a chance in states and he'll rob your wallet. Give a greasy wop immo a chance in the UK and he'll rob your wallet. Give the greasy wop immo a chance in Sevens world and the fucker will still rob your wallet. Just don't give the dirty wop bastard a chance.
 

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