Nick Against the World (108 Viewers)

Seven

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
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Jun 25, 2003
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Andy said:
It's not a load of crap whatsoever. I'm not sure about Vinni, but there are some citizens in the United States that have grown up here within their little "culture niches" of their parents' homeland. For instance, Nick here grew up in a "Little Italy" sort of setting outside of New York City after his parents "walked off the boat" at Ellis Island. He grew up speaking the Italian language, learning from his Italian parents, living in a true Italian setting albeit 5,000 miles away from Italy. It's the same story for many of the Mexicans living within this country attending football matches heckling American footballers while wearing their Mexican flag. Some of those Mexicans were born and raised here, too, but cannot speak English. Are they in any way United States citizens? I don't think so.

So where do we draw the dividing line? I know where you want to draw it; somewhere that is subjective just to beat Vinni in an argument.

If you take this stance against Vinni and others, then you should certainly not support Mauro Camoranesi on the Azzurri as he is clearly not as Italian as various other people around the world whom you would deny the right to label themselves what they believe they are.
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Like I said Little Italy isn't Italy. The Italian American society perhaps looked a lot like the Italian one back in 1930, but ever since they have evolved in a very different way. Not to mention that they automatically behave like a minority, because obviously that's what they are in America. And besides, Nick probably would qualify as an Italian. If you're taking my paramaters into account, which are a bit more advanced than the Ancien Régime argument Vinman is using, Mauro Camoranesi would also qualify as an Italian.

Andy said:
:lol2:

I don't know, but this makes me chuckle a little bit. I mean, everybody in the United States maybe should know how much of a bitch it is to drive around New York, but then again about 50% of the citizens here probably have not been there before, so you cannot really blame them. Are these people not American?
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The USA are a hell of a lot bigger than Italy. Besides, even without ever having been to Napoli you would have to know a bit of the traffic there. If you don't, you're just not interested in Italian culture.
 
Seven

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
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Jun 25, 2003
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Andy said:
True, but in relation to what Hector is going off about, unnaturalized citizens in Italy not assimilating with the rest of the population are hardly Italian as well.
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Well I'd say people not holding an Italian passport, not speaking the Italian language and knowing fuck about Italian culture aren't Italian in my book.
 
JCK

JCK

Biased
JCK
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May 11, 2004
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Seven said:
Well I'd say people not holding an Italian passport, not speaking the Italian language and knowing fuck about Italian culture aren't Italian in my book.
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I hold a Swedish passport, I speak the language fluently and I know a lot about the culture but still I don't qualify myself as a Swede. It is the how one is brought up what matters.
 
Seven

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
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JCK said:
I hold a Swedish passport, I speak the language fluently and I know a lot about the culture but still I don't qualify myself as a Swede. It is the how one is brought up what matters.
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TBH I think the way you do. This would mean neither Vinman nor I (as Vinman seems to believe I want to be an Italian for some reason) could ever be Italian. No matter what, you just can't copy an upbringing in Italy.

But I suppose that having a passport, speaking the language and knowing a lot about the culture to a lot of people means you're a Swede. I took these parameters, because they are most commonly accepted.
 
Turdhead

Turdhead

Chickenegro no funny
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Jan 14, 2005
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Seven is right. It is retarded how some Americans are like that. You know, ever seen those Irish ones that harp on about the IRA and listen to the Dubliners and have sex with shamrocks? You know, it's gay. You know? People look silly like that. If someone has never even be to a country and let it define them. It's silly. You know? A country defining anyone is silly. You know? Instead of trying to be something else, just be the dirty immos you are. You know? You hear?

Leave it be.

Andy you don't have a passport!?
 
JCK

JCK

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JCK
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May 11, 2004
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Seven said:
TBH I think the way you do. This would mean neither Vinman nor I (as Vinman seems to believe I want to be an Italian for some reason) could ever be Italian. No matter what, you just can't copy an upbringing in Italy.

But I suppose that having a passport, speaking the language and knowing a lot about the culture to a lot of people means you're a Swede. I took these parameters, because they are most commonly accepted.
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I will never be a Swede, I am a Swedish citizen who have integrated well in the society. That's about it.

I've met many here who come from foreign families but were either born in Sweden or arrived to the country when they were 4 years old or something. THESE are Swedes.
 
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