Nick Against the World (56 Viewers)
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You figured wrong...
I have been saying for years that Juve gets preferential treatment in the league and for years people here told me to go places you would not imagine..
Some of the games I highlighted in the past came to light afterwards as specific 'incidents' in which Moggi flexed his muscle..
I feel bad for SOME PLAYERS and SOME FANS such as yourself, Pado and most of all Vinni and Paul ... you are the only Juve fans I grew to like..the rest I found to be arrogant and pompous and on a self built pedestal .. maybe they were not but that was the impression I got..
Milan got a RAW DEAL Sergio because in fact WE were screwed by JUVE not Roma, Inter or anyone else..the pressure put on officials came to BITE US in the arse and CAUSED US to lose Two Scudetto's....we were in a heated race for the title only to see Juve strangely winning games
We lost the last two scudetto's to you and went down in Istanbul ..hard....if you think we will be sympathetic towards a team that scammed us..forget it...
I have been saying for years that Juve gets preferential treatment in the league and for years people here told me to go places you would not imagine..
Some of the games I highlighted in the past came to light afterwards as specific 'incidents' in which Moggi flexed his muscle..
I feel bad for SOME PLAYERS and SOME FANS such as yourself, Pado and most of all Vinni and Paul ... you are the only Juve fans I grew to like..the rest I found to be arrogant and pompous and on a self built pedestal .. maybe they were not but that was the impression I got..
Milan got a RAW DEAL Sergio because in fact WE were screwed by JUVE not Roma, Inter or anyone else..the pressure put on officials came to BITE US in the arse and CAUSED US to lose Two Scudetto's....we were in a heated race for the title only to see Juve strangely winning games
We lost the last two scudetto's to you and went down in Istanbul ..hard....if you think we will be sympathetic towards a team that scammed us..forget it...
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True...I think the WC pretty much subsided every other feeling...
Milan is not without its problems (pale compared to Juve but still) ... out of Champions...out of the Scudetto race and players questioning their stay ...
Juve's penalty was spiteful ... they kept them in B for tv contracts and some sponsorship yet basically handed them a two year hiatus out of Serie A...
Funny how INter and the Champions League thing was swept under the rug..
Like I said..I feel bad for the Cannavaro's, Buffon's and Zambrotta's and Del Piero's who gave their all to the National Team and the most memorable tournament in their career will be followed by a change of club...nation or league ..
We needed the WC to shut many people up..we did just that...but I don't expect INter to represent us in Europe ... they are destined to fail....
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Milan is not without its problems (pale compared to Juve but still) ... out of Champions...out of the Scudetto race and players questioning their stay ...
Juve's penalty was spiteful ... they kept them in B for tv contracts and some sponsorship yet basically handed them a two year hiatus out of Serie A...
Funny how INter and the Champions League thing was swept under the rug..
Like I said..I feel bad for the Cannavaro's, Buffon's and Zambrotta's and Del Piero's who gave their all to the National Team and the most memorable tournament in their career will be followed by a change of club...nation or league ..
We needed the WC to shut many people up..we did just that...but I don't expect INter to represent us in Europe ... they are destined to fail....
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For all the complaints about Berlusconi getting Milan a minor slap on the wrist, all roads of suspicion for me still point to Inter.
I really question whether the Azzurri could have achieved what they did without the common enemy of Calciopoli hanging over them. It's possible, but I think much less likely.
And Inter? They will always find a way to f%#$ things up and make Palermo look like the Italian pride of the CL.
Gavino Nieddu assesses the punishments handed down in the match-fixing trial and worries that the federation has cut off its nose to spite its face...
Just when I think people could not get any stupider, the “Gazzetta Delle Stupidagine” releases another eye-rolling cover story that confirms that intelligence is in a downward spiral.
Congratulations Italia, as you sit on top of the world you’ve managed to self-destruct again. I suppose it is in Italian nature. Like the mighty Ancient Romans did, the neo-Romans have a habit of reaching the heights and falling on their face by their own hands. It hurts to say it, but this time it will look good on them. They should have known better.
In 1982 Italy claimed their 3rd World Cup and sat on top of the football world. It too took place in the midst of a scandal that saw Lazio and Milan relegated to Serie B. What was accomplished? Serie A wound up with lesser quality teams replacing giants. Star players left. Other squads elsewhere in Europe benefited from an open market of players, and less competition. Even the teams that remained in Italy’s top flight suffered from lack of competition as rival squads were no longer there and in their place, mediocre lower tier teams played. The quality of the game was not elevated, ratings and attendance dropped and in consequence revenues dropped as well. Lo and behold, years later corruption cropped up again. Why? The system was never fixed. Teams were just thrown out and the ones that remained kept up the cheating.
Is it any wonder that with this sudden drop in quality in Italy it took almost a decade to bring Italy back to competitive standards? It took 7 years for Italy to lay claim to a UEFA Cup (Napoli). In the '80s Italy claimed 1 Cup Winners' Cup (Juventus). Italy did win 2 Champions' League titles in the '80s (Juventus '85/Milan '89) but by then Milan had had 7 years to rebuild. That’s a big difference from the 13 European trophies claimed by Italian teams in the '90s. The worst affected, however, was our National Team. Does anyone remember how Italy did in Euro 84 in France? Probably not, since they weren’t there after failing to qualify. They got the boot early in the '86 World Cup in Mexico after being automatic qualifiers at the hands of France. By '88 in Germany they were looking better but still got hammered by the Soviets in the Euro Cup. It wasn’t until Italia ’90 that Italy were back to being the football powerhouse they used to be. Are we ready to go through all that again? This time might be worse. This time it’s not 2 squads, it’s 3.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think they should have turned a blind eye. The guilty individuals certainly should have been punished. The system needs significant strengthening as well. To throw out 3 massive squads however is detrimental. The way in which everything took place makes one think that it almost had more to do with overthrowing a major football powerhouse that had simply become too dominant than fixing a faulty system. The sheer imbalance of the punishments certainly points to that motive. So does the imbalance of the investigation. Why were so many teams not investigated after having their phone calls intercepted revealing their active participation in this corrupt system? Inter’s president was overheard calling the same individuals Moggi called and for the same purposes for example, yet Inter were not further investigated. Roma’s elaborate gift-giving to referees surfaced as well; still no investigation. Milan’s system (which paralleled Moggi’s) was unveiled yet they remained in Serie A. Milan’s indirect sponsorship of Collina through OPEL was also revealed, yet no action was taken. A long list of other teams ranging from Serie A to C were also named and never dealt with. Why the double standards?
Only the big wigs of the Italian system will ever really know. The end result is that a few Italian teams will have to rebuild from the guillotine they are being led to (barring what I fear will be futile appeals). The system hasn’t changed or been reinforced and in a little time we will likely have another scandal on our hands. Interest, ratings, attendance, and revenues will all drop while other leagues and non-Italian teams reap the benefits. History is set to repeat itself, and we the Italian football fans are the ones who will suffer the most.
Maybe if everyone saw it in this light, certain bloodthirsty Italian fans would realize that they have very little to celebrate. Consequences should never outweigh benefits. I fear this time they will. I just hope for all our sakes that it doesn’t take 8 years to rebuild again.
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Just when I think people could not get any stupider, the “Gazzetta Delle Stupidagine” releases another eye-rolling cover story that confirms that intelligence is in a downward spiral.
Congratulations Italia, as you sit on top of the world you’ve managed to self-destruct again. I suppose it is in Italian nature. Like the mighty Ancient Romans did, the neo-Romans have a habit of reaching the heights and falling on their face by their own hands. It hurts to say it, but this time it will look good on them. They should have known better.
In 1982 Italy claimed their 3rd World Cup and sat on top of the football world. It too took place in the midst of a scandal that saw Lazio and Milan relegated to Serie B. What was accomplished? Serie A wound up with lesser quality teams replacing giants. Star players left. Other squads elsewhere in Europe benefited from an open market of players, and less competition. Even the teams that remained in Italy’s top flight suffered from lack of competition as rival squads were no longer there and in their place, mediocre lower tier teams played. The quality of the game was not elevated, ratings and attendance dropped and in consequence revenues dropped as well. Lo and behold, years later corruption cropped up again. Why? The system was never fixed. Teams were just thrown out and the ones that remained kept up the cheating.
Is it any wonder that with this sudden drop in quality in Italy it took almost a decade to bring Italy back to competitive standards? It took 7 years for Italy to lay claim to a UEFA Cup (Napoli). In the '80s Italy claimed 1 Cup Winners' Cup (Juventus). Italy did win 2 Champions' League titles in the '80s (Juventus '85/Milan '89) but by then Milan had had 7 years to rebuild. That’s a big difference from the 13 European trophies claimed by Italian teams in the '90s. The worst affected, however, was our National Team. Does anyone remember how Italy did in Euro 84 in France? Probably not, since they weren’t there after failing to qualify. They got the boot early in the '86 World Cup in Mexico after being automatic qualifiers at the hands of France. By '88 in Germany they were looking better but still got hammered by the Soviets in the Euro Cup. It wasn’t until Italia ’90 that Italy were back to being the football powerhouse they used to be. Are we ready to go through all that again? This time might be worse. This time it’s not 2 squads, it’s 3.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think they should have turned a blind eye. The guilty individuals certainly should have been punished. The system needs significant strengthening as well. To throw out 3 massive squads however is detrimental. The way in which everything took place makes one think that it almost had more to do with overthrowing a major football powerhouse that had simply become too dominant than fixing a faulty system. The sheer imbalance of the punishments certainly points to that motive. So does the imbalance of the investigation. Why were so many teams not investigated after having their phone calls intercepted revealing their active participation in this corrupt system? Inter’s president was overheard calling the same individuals Moggi called and for the same purposes for example, yet Inter were not further investigated. Roma’s elaborate gift-giving to referees surfaced as well; still no investigation. Milan’s system (which paralleled Moggi’s) was unveiled yet they remained in Serie A. Milan’s indirect sponsorship of Collina through OPEL was also revealed, yet no action was taken. A long list of other teams ranging from Serie A to C were also named and never dealt with. Why the double standards?
Only the big wigs of the Italian system will ever really know. The end result is that a few Italian teams will have to rebuild from the guillotine they are being led to (barring what I fear will be futile appeals). The system hasn’t changed or been reinforced and in a little time we will likely have another scandal on our hands. Interest, ratings, attendance, and revenues will all drop while other leagues and non-Italian teams reap the benefits. History is set to repeat itself, and we the Italian football fans are the ones who will suffer the most.
Maybe if everyone saw it in this light, certain bloodthirsty Italian fans would realize that they have very little to celebrate. Consequences should never outweigh benefits. I fear this time they will. I just hope for all our sakes that it doesn’t take 8 years to rebuild again.
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so u guys did the breakup?