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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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If you have to advertise it in your name, you're compensating.

Which is why I believe Dick Armey had to have the smallest deck known to man.
 
Dec 27, 2003
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Libero, Sporting Justice is not the only joke, but the entire Italian Justice system. Summer 2006 is but a single example, yet it perfectly illustrates the circus. Punish first, then invstigate. Guilty until you prove you were innocent. This is why Italy convicts most and then all are overturned on appeal. I say "most" and not "all" because Berlusca has been acquitted all 6 times so far.

It is an impossibilty for any tribunal to consider more than one million recorded conversations during a 10 day hearing. Not enough hours to listen to them.
If it were possible then why is the Moggi trial in its 5th year?
Moggi has been named the head of a criminal enterprise, but has there been any evidence that Moggi acted differently from the other 19 similarly situated Serie A executives? NO.
Telecom Italia chief Signore Dickhead Troncheta Provera is an Inter director and investor.
Telecom Italia wiretapped all clubs.
Telecom Italia "lost" the recordings from Internazionale.
Guido Rossi, ex-director of Internazionale was appointed FIGC President.
His first act as President (during a time where corruption and mistrust were the order of the day) was to go to Inter and get a couple jerseys for the grandkids - no bias and favortism could be coming.
His second act as President was to declare 3rd place Inter as Champions of Italy. No corruption there.
His third and final act was to strip 2nd place Milan of just enough points to deny them the Scudetto, but not so many that the Berlusconi Boys would miss out on Champions League money.
Guido Rossi was then made President of Telecom Italia.
Typical Italian corruption? YES, but how is Moggi the crook?
Your balls have now been talked off.

You disappoint, Pepponzio. You really disappoint.

Regarding Silvio B., he wasn't acquitted 6 times.

In some of the trials he has benefited from statute of limitations, notably after he and his yesmen in Parliament drastically reduced the deadline of said statute of limitations.

Then there is roughly a dozen ad personam laws (some fortunately declared unconstitutional) that have allowed him to escape a condemnation.

Such as false accounting turned into a non-criminal offence, the "Cirami law" allowing him to move the trial to another juridiction (and re-start it from scratch) if there is a "legitimate suspicion" about the impartiality of the current court, the infamous "lodo Schifani", its ugly little brother the "lodo Alfano", etc.

Just this weekend I am being asked to vote in a referendum on the proposed "legitimate impediment" law. I.e. the possibility for the PM not to attend his trials due to the commitments of his job. If, as expected, the law is rejected, we might have some interesting developments ahead.

Regarding the Italian justice system and all its faults, I think I might still prefer it over the American counterpart.

I mean what do you make of the Strauss-Kahn story these days? I can't feel much pity for the ultimate representative of France's "caviar Left", but......handcuffed and exhibited to the press, Bernardo Provenzano-style?? Placed under house arrest, but not before paying a 5 million dollar bail (could Tyrone from Camden afford the same priviledge)??

WTF!

Now as for Calciopoli, the reason the sports justice is not credible is indeed because it was influenced by external factors and the pressure of time to apply just punishments. With an impending World Cup and with the importance of the teams involved, it decided to send Juve to B (an utter joke considering the gravity of the accusations) and to give mere deductions to Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina (joke number 2).

The ordinary justice, on the other hand, is proving or has proved everything that needs to be proven regarding the unprecedentledly criminal character of the association.

Blackmailing and/or buying of presidents, referees, vice-presidents of FIGC, referee designators, player agents.....ffs what more do you need? If you don't "send away" a band of delinquents like this, you might as well send away the rules as a whole.

Sorry, but you should be grateful for not going down after the doping scandal already ("a pharmacy equal to that of a mid-sized hospital" was the judge's conclusion!).

For which, as a reminder, Agricola and Giraudo were condemned, while the pharmacist that supplied Agricola opted for the aforementioned "patteggiamento" too (i.e. admission of guilt in exchange of a lighter sentence) before disappearing.

Again, like Giraudo himself for Calciopoli. Giraudo, not White Snow.

Antonio Giraudo, the FIAT man with a finger in every pie, felt so overwhelmed by the evidence, that he admitted his guilt and dropped out of sight.

Moggi on the other hand, the station master who by some godly miracle ended up as the "King's groom who knows all the horses' thieves" (dixit Gianni Agnelli), went the courageous way of prolonging the trial until it falls under statute of limitations.

Details, really.
 
Dec 27, 2003
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Juventus would simply not exist anymore, Libero?

How many times have Napoli and Fiorentina come back from the "grave", btw? I've lost count.
Which...is only confirming my point??

For frauds and mismanagement that remain strictly internal to the team, Napoli and Fiorentina are exorcised to the depths of serie C2.

For stealing half a dozen scudetti......Juve are offered an excursion to serie B!
 

The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
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Libero, the American system of justice is not perfect, and it is far too easy to have anybody you dislike arrested and jailed on false charges, but newspaper stories are NOT admissible as evidence. Nobody is going to be convicted of a crime based on the newspaper's account of events. Calciopoli was tried in the Gazzetta dello Sport before the 2005-06 championship even ended and a 10-day tribunal ratified whatever the paper chose to publish and chose to bury. This is "toilet tissue" justice - that which you can wipe your ass with. You cannot imprison people with toilet tissue justice ---- THIS is why the Moggi hearing is in it's 5th year. Not to dodge the statute of limitations, but because 1) The subject matter is of overwhelming quantity; 2) Italian Courts only like to work 5 months per year; and 3) It turns out that 20 clubs were involved, not just 5, so hundreds more witnesses were required than originally thought.

The Italian Statutes of Limitations are a joke that you seem to prefer. In USA, there is NO statute of limitations for felonies. Commit a felony and you are never safe from eventual prosecution. Commit a misdemeanor and as long as a warrant is sworn out before the 2-year statute expires, they got you. You cannot avoid criminal charges by disappearing for a few decades.
 

The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
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Libero, love, I hate to contradict your statement about Giraudo disappearing or going into hiding and all that, but we was in attendance today at the BMW Italian Open golf tournament. They still play that in Italy, right? :evil:
 

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Dec 27, 2003
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Libero, the American system of justice is not perfect, and it is far too easy to have anybody you dislike arrested and jailed on false charges, but newspaper stories are NOT admissible as evidence. Nobody is going to be convicted of a crime based on the newspaper's account of events. Calciopoli was tried in the Gazzetta dello Sport before the 2005-06 championship even ended and a 10-day tribunal ratified whatever the paper chose to publish and chose to bury. This is "toilet tissue" justice - that which you can wipe your ass with. You cannot imprison people with toilet tissue justice ---- THIS is why the Moggi hearing is in it's 5th year. Not to dodge the statute of limitations, but because 1) The subject matter is of overwhelming quantity; 2) Italian Courts only like to work 5 months per year; and 3) It turns out that 20 clubs were involved, not just 5, so hundreds more witnesses were required than originally thought.

The Italian Statutes of Limitations are a joke that you seem to prefer. In USA, there is NO statute of limitations for felonies. Commit a felony and you are never safe from eventual prosecution. Commit a misdemeanor and as long as a warrant is sworn out before the 2-year statute expires, they got you. You cannot avoid criminal charges by disappearing for a few decades.
Listen to me you canary-yellow Dodge-driving son of a Carranzasca. Fisrt off, Dodge is now FIAT property, so that's right : you're driving italian!

Yeah maybe it's not a Dodge, I don't actually remember, so maybe it's not Italian. But trust me that it will soon be, coz I do remember how your money is worthless.

Secondly, Italy is literally the country where the rights of the accused have been invented, following Cesare Beccaria's famous treatise "On crimes and punishments" in the mid 18th century. A document whose first effect was that a small fraction of pre-unification Italy, the Grand Duchy of Tuscany, became the first state in history to abolish death penalty. This at a time when the most civilised American was being his brother's keeper in a bag for breakfast. So take your toilet tissue and shove it up your ass!

PS : your fat American ass.
 
Dec 27, 2003
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I mean, in that same thread, just how am I supposed to neg-rep this :

Fucking NapoleCANI, dump of place, shit people and disgusting football team.

No wonder they hate Juve. We have a superior history, come from a superior city, theres no garbage problem, no volcano waiting to erupt any moment.
O VESUVIO LAVALI COL FUOCO, LAVALI, LAVALI, LAVALI COL FUOCOOOOOO!
I can't. There's everything I could wish for there. I just can't. Sheer perfection.
 

The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
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It is a dodge
I am proud that it is now Fiat
I love Italy
Italian justice really isn't what it used to be. True, Defendants have more rights than they do in USA, but "Justice" does sometimes require a speedy trial and "Justice" sometimes might require a person to actually have to go to prison.
Toilet tissue is good.
My ass isn't that fat.
Why you hating on Jack?
 
Dec 27, 2003
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I don't hate on Jack at all. I found him some decent weed in Brussels which we smoked at his Lebanese friend's place just across my street, while trying to figure out how Italy had just managed to win a WC with Materazzi as its topscorer.

I may have ball-talked on him a bit that night, though.
 
Dec 27, 2003
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What may have helped is the fact that Italy 2006 was the first world champion not to concede a single goal during the run of play (Zaccardo's comic autogol can be excluded as America had nothing to do with it).

Buffon was extraterrestrial that summer, despite being a fascist.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
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I brought it up here because you are active here. No hard feelings. That evening in Brussels was unforgettable. Good times, I miss Brussels, I miss that apartment and his previous apartment even more. I miss weed most though.
 
Dec 27, 2003
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Oh man, I haven't had a sbinz since May 2009. This wife of mine, she might be 5 feet and a potato tall, but she's completely taken over my life. She strictly allows me one cigarette after eating during the Chinese New Year period down at her her family's in Sichuan. And that's only because her father insists on offering one and will hear no reason.

"Libolooooooong!!!!!! Libolooooooong!!!!!!!!!!!! Lai lai lai lai, chou yi ge, chou yi ge, lai lai lai lai lai!!!!!"

I owe so much to that squat little father-in-law of mine.

He's the only one who adresses me more or less by my name, too. They all call me "pie pie" otherwise (Sichuanese for "the cute little ugly one")
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
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I asked my wife not to eat sushi for 9 months during her pregnancy and it was only fair for me to drop on my favourite sins for the same period. You can take a small journey over here on the 1st of August because that's when I will light up a fat poisonous stick.
 

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