Nick Against the World (71 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Ajax is asking questions. THey have the right to ask questions. They lost to a team that it has just been discovered was using banned substances (illegal doses..whatever you want to call it). Why shouldn't they take action?

Because the team docter was convicted, not the Club itself. Once FC Juventus is charged with administering illegal substances, then Ajax can run and pout to UEFA. Before that day comes, sanction by UEFA will not take place.

 

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[Emma]

What does it matter if it was the doctor or the club? Either way it effects the players and thus the validity of the achievements. No?

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Because the team docter was convicted, not the Club itself. Once FC Juventus is charged with administering illegal substances, then Ajax can run and pout to UEFA. Before that day comes, sanction by UEFA will not take place.

How do you convinct a team?? A legal entity (corporation) cannot be convicted of a crime and only their administrators acting as representatives can be charged. You cannot convict the club of criminal offense as the club is a legal entity. You can convict the individuals in the club who partake in the criminal activity in question. By your rationale everyone from the towel cleaner to the President has to be tried and convicted. Does not work that way.
Agricola was acting independantly? he decided on his own to administer the drugs? He decided for his own benefit to put this system into place??
We have an expression for that: SCAPEGOAT.
Next time blame the SHOE-SHINE KID.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


How do you convinct a team??

Well, in a way you can, by convicting the whole lot of chief officers. For instance, the CEO, CFO, and President of Enron were all convicted for their crimes, thus bringing down that whole company. Only one member of Juventus, the team docter, has been convicted.

Agricola was acting independantly? he decided on his own to administer the drugs? He decided for his own benefit to put this system into place??
We have an expression for that: SCAPEGOAT.
Next time blame the SHOE-SHINE KID.

Well, until another officer of the club is convicted, looks like there is no actual scapegoat, just one guilty party.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Because the team docter was convicted, not the Club itself. Once FC Juventus is charged with administering illegal substances, then Ajax can run and pout to UEFA. Before that day comes, sanction by UEFA will not take place.

Andy, I have to agree with the pansy boy and Emma on this one. It is like saying, well I gave Barry Bonds steroids, then watched him take them, then he got better, but I didn't do anything wrong. It's not all on Bonds, that is not how it works. The doctor has a responsibility to the team and to the players. He held a position of power and abused it.

Now in the picture of "should we take away championships?" No. There is no absolute way to prove that some, all, or none of the players were doping. What are you gonna do, watch a video of old Zizou and say,"Ohh, good pass, he was doping." No. It doesn't work that way either. If that is how it worked, the MLB would not let the Yanks play with any of their players, because the excuse for them being so good would be because they were "doping."

If you were going to take away Scudetti or what have you, you should give them to Milan, they need them BADLY.

 

[Dragon]

Did you people read about Carlos Tevez going to Corinthians (in Brazil) in january for 18mil dollars

shocking news!

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

That kid is worthless.

 

[Bjerknes]

A worthless decision on his part. Maybe Tevez isn't the player everyone cuts him out to be; probably just another disapointing Ariel Ortega.

 

[Dragon]

Yeah it was a stupid move on his part. He will end up wasting his talent

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

i got locked up, they wont let me out, i got locked up.......(repeat 4 times)

 

[Emma]

Finally got rid of the Fuzzball username eh burke?

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Milan doesn't need a scudetto...we have enough
Champions League titles to make up for the lack
of Scudetto's. Speaking of which if (and rightfully so) the CL title of 95 is taken away from the EPO-VENTUS then thats a pretty dry spell (80's) my Zebra friends.

Note to the banjo playing white trailer park trash wanna-be European: you are really trying too hard. If you want my attention on a consistent basis you have to get that hamster running faster than that 'Skeeter'.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Milan doesn't need a scudetto...we have enough
Champions League titles to make up for the lack
of Scudetto's. Speaking of which if (and rightfully so) the CL title of 95 is taken away from the EPO-VENTUS then thats a pretty dry spell (80's) my Zebra friends.

Well, I suspect the Pre-Berlusconi Milan was a bit more dehydrated than that. If they are going to take that title out of our hands, maybe that would cause us to lose some of our so-called "fans" who are here because they love only one player. And secondly, to relieve this pressing hatred of Juventini across the Mediteranean. But as that hatred will never subside, neither will the number of Titles held to our name.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by Emma ] ++
Finally got rid of the Fuzzball username eh burke?

Well it was apparent if you can read.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Well, I suspect the Pre-Berlusconi Milan was a bit more dehydrated than that. If they are going to take that title out of our hands, maybe that would cause us to lose some of our so-called "fans" who are here because they love only one player. And secondly, to relieve this pressing hatred of Juventini across the Mediteranean. But as that hatred will never subside, neither will the number of Titles held to our name.

Actually no Milan won two titles YEARS before Juve even won one. Despite what you may think Milan had legendary players pre-Berlusconi. It was the era immediately before the great Berlusca that was the darkest (early 80's)..it was also some of Juve's best years.

 

[Emma]

This forum is so stupid now. Whats wrong with these threads? All it does is make us all come back in here and it sucks ass here. To many moderators, to little to do.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Emma ] ++
This forum is so stupid now. Whats wrong with these threads? All it does is make us all come back in here and it sucks ass here. To many moderators, to little to do.

I concur. But the blame also rests on the shoulders who turned the thread into a gossip theatre (you know who you are).

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by Emma ] ++
This forum is so stupid now. Whats wrong with these threads? All it does is make us all come back in here and it sucks ass here. To many moderators, to little to do.

I second that.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


I concur. But the blame also rests on the shoulders who turned the thread into a gossip theatre.

Miss "rollin on" Dub

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I concur. But the blame also rests on the shoulders who turned the thread into a gossip theatre.

Either it lies entiresly on their shoulders or not at all Andy. If we don't allow gossip threads to propagate, which is policy now, then it's their fault. If we do, then it's not at all.

People know the rules, and they're enforced pretty in a fairly lax manner, but people still piss all over Martin's doorstep.