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gray

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Here, I found an article (it's from the Korean fighter's point of view, but it tells the story in brief)

Duk Koo Kim 김득구 (1959-1982) was a South Korean boxer whose death changed the sport of boxing in many ways.

Kim was undefeated in 13 bouts when he was assigned by the WBA as the world's number 1 challenger to world Lightweight champion Ray Mancini. Most of his contests prior to the Mancini bout, however, had been in his native country, against somewhat obscure opposition.

Kim had to struggle mightily to lose weight on the days prior to the bout so that he could weight in under the Lightweight's 135 pound limit, or, as they say in boxing, "make weight". In what could be described as an eerie coincidence, he wrote the message kill or be killed on his Las Vegas hotel room's mirror on the days before the bout.

Mancini and Kim met in an arena outside Caesar's Palace on November 13, 1982. In what many ringside observers have described as an "action-packed" fight, Mancini and Kim went toe to toe for a good portion of the bout, but by the latter rounds, Mancini began to dominate the young challenger. Spent and battered, Kim went into round 14 with little left and Mancini dropped him. He got up, but the fight was stopped and Mancini retained the title.

Minutes after the fight was over, Kim collapsed into a coma, and was taken to a hospital. Emergency brain surgery was done there to try to save his life, but that effort proved to be futile, as Kim lost his life 5 days after the bout, on November 18. The week after, Sports Illustrated had a photo of the fight on their cover, under the heading Tragedy in The Ring.

Not only did Kim lose his life after that fight, but the lives of many others who were involved were affected too: Mancini had to go through a period of regrouping, as he blamed himself for Kim's death. After friends helped him by telling him that it was just an accident, Mancini was able to go on with his career, but Kim's death would always haunt him. The bout's referee, Richard Greene, committed suicide on February of 1983, and so did Kim's mother, four months later.

Many reforms in boxing took place after this fight. The WBC, which was not the fight's sanctioning organization anyways, was the first one to step up and admit, during their annual convention of 1982, that many rules and areas concerning fighter's medical care before fights needed to be changed to improve a fighter's chance of surviving a fight. WBC president Jose Sulaiman declared that, immediately after the Mancini-Kim bout, the WBC and their medical advisors had conducted a study that revealed that most fighters get injured more severely during rounds 13, 14 and 15, so the organization immediately decided to reduce the number of rounds in their championship bouts from 15 to 12. The WBA and the IBF followed the WBC in 1987. When the WBO was formed in 1988, they immediately began operating with 12 round world championship bouts.

Apart from the round reduction, the years after Kim's death would bring such new implements on a fighter's check up before fights as electrocardiograms, brain tests, lung tests and other medical tests. As one boxing leader put it, "A fighter's check ups before fights used to consist of blood pressure and heart beat checks before 1982. Not anymore".

The story of Kim's life was taken to the big screen in his native South Korea: Director Kwak Kyung Taek directed the movie named Champion, and actor Yu Oh Seong starred as the fallen boxer.

Kim compiled a record of 13 wins and 1 loss, with 10 knockouts.
 

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Gandalf

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++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
Here, I found an article (it's from the Korean fighter's point of view, but it tells the story in brief)

Duk Koo Kim 김득구 (1959-1982) was a South Korean boxer whose death changed the sport of boxing in many ways.

Kim was undefeated in 13 bouts when he was assigned by the WBA as the world's number 1 challenger to world Lightweight champion Ray Mancini. Most of his contests prior to the Mancini bout, however, had been in his native country, against somewhat obscure opposition.

Kim had to struggle mightily to lose weight on the days prior to the bout so that he could weight in under the Lightweight's 135 pound limit, or, as they say in boxing, "make weight". In what could be described as an eerie coincidence, he wrote the message kill or be killed on his Las Vegas hotel room's mirror on the days before the bout.

Mancini and Kim met in an arena outside Caesar's Palace on November 13, 1982. In what many ringside observers have described as an "action-packed" fight, Mancini and Kim went toe to toe for a good portion of the bout, but by the latter rounds, Mancini began to dominate the young challenger. Spent and battered, Kim went into round 14 with little left and Mancini dropped him. He got up, but the fight was stopped and Mancini retained the title.

Minutes after the fight was over, Kim collapsed into a coma, and was taken to a hospital. Emergency brain surgery was done there to try to save his life, but that effort proved to be futile, as Kim lost his life 5 days after the bout, on November 18. The week after, Sports Illustrated had a photo of the fight on their cover, under the heading Tragedy in The Ring.

Not only did Kim lose his life after that fight, but the lives of many others who were involved were affected too: Mancini had to go through a period of regrouping, as he blamed himself for Kim's death. After friends helped him by telling him that it was just an accident, Mancini was able to go on with his career, but Kim's death would always haunt him. The bout's referee, Richard Greene, committed suicide on February of 1983, and so did Kim's mother, four months later.

Many reforms in boxing took place after this fight. The WBC, which was not the fight's sanctioning organization anyways, was the first one to step up and admit, during their annual convention of 1982, that many rules and areas concerning fighter's medical care before fights needed to be changed to improve a fighter's chance of surviving a fight. WBC president Jose Sulaiman declared that, immediately after the Mancini-Kim bout, the WBC and their medical advisors had conducted a study that revealed that most fighters get injured more severely during rounds 13, 14 and 15, so the organization immediately decided to reduce the number of rounds in their championship bouts from 15 to 12. The WBA and the IBF followed the WBC in 1987. When the WBO was formed in 1988, they immediately began operating with 12 round world championship bouts.

Apart from the round reduction, the years after Kim's death would bring such new implements on a fighter's check up before fights as electrocardiograms, brain tests, lung tests and other medical tests. As one boxing leader put it, "A fighter's check ups before fights used to consist of blood pressure and heart beat checks before 1982. Not anymore".

The story of Kim's life was taken to the big screen in his native South Korea: Director Kwak Kyung Taek directed the movie named Champion, and actor Yu Oh Seong starred as the fallen boxer.

Kim compiled a record of 13 wins and 1 loss, with 10 knockouts.
wow..:dazed: that is one hell of a sad story.. I feel sorry for both boxers and their family..

but what happened to mancini after that..??
 

KB824

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From the office of the President of the United States:




My Fellow Americans,


Tonight is an historic night in our country, for one Sergio Lenza Jr. will be participating in his 17th fantasy football draft, and he has called out to you, my fellow americans and football fans, to help him decide what two players he is going to put on his protected list prior to the draft.

The players are as follows.


Quarterbacks- Matt Hasselbeck, Brett Favre

Running Backs- Clinton Portis, Michael Bennet, Kevan Barlow

Wide Receivers- Randy Moss, Peerless Price, Jerry Porter, Andre Johnson

Tight Ends- Todd Heap, Eric Johnson

Kickers- Matt Stover, Mike Vanderjagt

Defense-Special Teams- Baltimore, Kansas City.



This is a call to arms, my compatriots.


God bless all of you, God bless Fantasy Football, and God Bless America.
 

gray

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I know absolutely zilch about the sport so I can't help you there, but that reminded me of the scene in "There's Something About Mary" where Brett Favre comes out, and Ted says "hey Mr. Fav....ra"

okay it wasn't hilarious, but I thought it was clever how they made fun of they way people pronounce his name
 

gray

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I realised that, but I still felt bad that I couldn't help :)

btw, no need to add words to my quotes you sneaky bastard :D
 

KB824

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++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
I realised that, but I still felt bad that I couldn't help :)

btw, no need to add words to my quotes you sneaky bastard :D
It's called "I forgot to delete 'people' from your other sentence" , dillhole:D
 

gray

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++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++
It's called "I forgot to delete 'people' from your other sentence" , dillhole:D
:wth: the word "people" appears smack bang in the middle of a sentence that's a few lines down from the first line of my post....

you weirdo :)
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++
From the office of the President of the United States:




My Fellow Americans,


Tonight is an historic night in our country, for one Sergio Lenza Jr. will be participating in his 17th fantasy football draft, and he has called out to you, my fellow americans and football fans, to help him decide what two players he is going to put on his protected list prior to the draft.

The players are as follows.


Quarterbacks- Matt Hasselbeck, Brett Favre

Running Backs- Clinton Portis, Michael Bennet, Kevan Barlow

Wide Receivers- Randy Moss, Peerless Price, Jerry Porter, Andre Johnson

Tight Ends- Todd Heap, Eric Johnson

Kickers- Matt Stover, Mike Vanderjagt

Defense-Special Teams- Baltimore, Kansas City.



This is a call to arms, my compatriots.


God bless all of you, God bless Fantasy Football, and God Bless America.
If I were you, I'd drop Portis and somehow bring Jamal Lewis into the fold. You can't lose with him, unfortunately. :lazy:
 

KB824

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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


If I were you, I'd drop Portis and somehow bring Jamal Lewis into the fold. You can't lose with him, unfortunately. :lazy:
I was actually thinkg about protecting Randy Moss and the Baltimore Defense, and hoping aagainst hope that my name comes up first in the draft lottery, and I can re-draft Portis.

Jamal Lewis is most likely going to be protected, assuming he's not in jail.

The only reason why I have doubts about Portis is their best Offensive Lineman is now out for the year, and their line wasn't all that great to begin with.
 

Bjerknes

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++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++


I was actually thinkg about protecting Randy Moss and the Baltimore Defense, and hoping aagainst hope that my name comes up first in the draft lottery, and I can re-draft Portis.

Jamal Lewis is most likely going to be protected, assuming he's not in jail.

The only reason why I have doubts about Portis is their best Offensive Lineman is now out for the year, and their line wasn't all that great to begin with.
Well yeah thats the reason to drop Portis, and pick up someone else.

Yeah Lewis will be protected most likely, but certainly protect the Ravens defense. That could be a key. Not sure about Moss though.
 

Vinman

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++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++


wow..:dazed: that is one hell of a sad story.. I feel sorry for both boxers and their family..

but what happened to mancini after that..??
Ray went on to defend his title 2 more times after that, and lost to Livingstone Bramble by tko in June 1984. A rematch followed 8 months later with Bramble winning on all 3 judges scorecards by 1 point.

Ray retired after that, but came back in March of 1989 to fight Hector "Macho" Camacho. Ray lost a DISPUTED decision, and took a few more years off before he came back again in April of 1992 to fight Greg Haugen. Ray was away too long, and was nothing more than a shell of himself, getting stopped in the 6th round by Haugen.

Ray went to Los Angeles after that and started getting small roles in movies. He has his own production company, and lives very well in Santa Monica. He is married, and has 3 kids (1 girl, 2 boys)
 

KB824

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That was a BULLSHIT decision against Camacho.


Ray won that fight. That was an even bigger farce than the Pernell Whitaker-Julio Cesar Chavez "draw" in Texas 10 years ago.
 

Vinman

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++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++
That was a BULLSHIT decision against Camacho.


Ray won that fight. That was an even bigger farce than the Pernell Whitaker-Julio Cesar Chavez "draw" in Texas 10 years ago.
We all thought so, even Camacho's cornermen told Ray after the fight that he had won !!!!
 

KB824

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++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++
The true is that, despite being a fighter with great heart and lots of courage, oom boom was just a puncher. he lacks the quality and the fine boxing of a true champion.......
Psstt...........eagle


I have to tell you something.


Come here.


ray Mancini is Vinman's 1st cousin.
 

Vinman

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++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++
The true is that, despite being a fighter with great heart and lots of courage, oom boom was just a puncher. he lacks the quality and the fine boxing of a true champion.......
Why dont you get some heart, courage, and BALLS to get into the ring pal before you start crtisizing someone else !!!!
 

KB824

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++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


Why dont you get some heart, courage, and BALLS to get into the ring pal before you start crtisizing someone else !!!!
I'm assuming this is the "very edited" version of your response :D
 

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