Nick Against the World (78 Viewers)
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Oh, no doubt about it.
Some people need to seriously get off of this Mutu fixation.
First off, he's 26 years old, 3 years older than Antonio.
Secondly, Cassano is FAR more skilled than Mutu could ever hope to be.
Thirdly, for everyone who's moaning about Chiellini being part of the deal, Balzaretti will do just fine as cover for either Zambrotta or Zebina.
Let's look at the numbers:
Mutu was free
Chiellini cost what, 2 million pounds??
Mutu
Chiellini- 2 million
and anywhere between 5 and 8 million pounds.
So, on the high end, that will be 10 million pounds in actual cash, plus a former druggie who can't perform in the sack in exchange for Cassano.
Tell me that's not worth it for one of the most techincially gifted players not only in Italy, but in Europe.
Who happens to be only 23 years old.
Some people need to seriously get off of this Mutu fixation.
First off, he's 26 years old, 3 years older than Antonio.
Secondly, Cassano is FAR more skilled than Mutu could ever hope to be.
Thirdly, for everyone who's moaning about Chiellini being part of the deal, Balzaretti will do just fine as cover for either Zambrotta or Zebina.
Let's look at the numbers:
Mutu was free
Chiellini cost what, 2 million pounds??
Mutu
Chiellini- 2 million
and anywhere between 5 and 8 million pounds.
So, on the high end, that will be 10 million pounds in actual cash, plus a former druggie who can't perform in the sack in exchange for Cassano.
Tell me that's not worth it for one of the most techincially gifted players not only in Italy, but in Europe.
Who happens to be only 23 years old.
Sorry to burst your bubble Sergio.........but I don't concur.
If you remember the 2002 season Mutu was tearing up Serie A with Parma, banging in goals and creating them as well with the same aplomb. Before that Mutu showed his fantastic skill with Hellas even though he seemed to injured half the time he was there. Adrian has fantastic pace, wonderful ball control, smart incisiveness, and the ability to basically do it all in attack.
Cassano might have the upper hand on dribbling and playmaking ability, and there is no questioning his skill. However, there is questioning whether or not this would be a good decision from an economical standpoint. As you remember we recieved Mutu on a free, and have not been able to witness what he can do for Juventus just yet. Thus far this summer he has been in very good form, and if he regains that 2002 form which is certainly a possibility we will be kicking ourselves after wasting money and players on Cassano. If Mutu regains his top form the Cassano deal would be redundant.
And to top it all off, if Mutu does not work out this year, we always have the chance of getting Cassano on a FREE next summer or take him in January. It just does not make much sense to give away a player of great potential when he hasn't even played a real game for our club yet.
If you remember the 2002 season Mutu was tearing up Serie A with Parma, banging in goals and creating them as well with the same aplomb. Before that Mutu showed his fantastic skill with Hellas even though he seemed to injured half the time he was there. Adrian has fantastic pace, wonderful ball control, smart incisiveness, and the ability to basically do it all in attack.
Cassano might have the upper hand on dribbling and playmaking ability, and there is no questioning his skill. However, there is questioning whether or not this would be a good decision from an economical standpoint. As you remember we recieved Mutu on a free, and have not been able to witness what he can do for Juventus just yet. Thus far this summer he has been in very good form, and if he regains that 2002 form which is certainly a possibility we will be kicking ourselves after wasting money and players on Cassano. If Mutu regains his top form the Cassano deal would be redundant.
And to top it all off, if Mutu does not work out this year, we always have the chance of getting Cassano on a FREE next summer or take him in January. It just does not make much sense to give away a player of great potential when he hasn't even played a real game for our club yet.
You're confusing potential with hoping that Mutu returns to the form of three years ago.
With a smaller club, might I add. We've been down that road before with Mighty Mouse.
And what players are we "wasting", anyway?
Chiellini? I'm sure he'll develop into a fine left back, but he needs playing time to do that, and he won't get it at his age for Juventus. He was on the cheap anyway, and as I had previously stated, Balzaretti is a very fine player who will do well.
Mutu? Again, how much are you wasting if you got him for free?
And as far as Cassano's advantage on playmaking ability, isn't that what we've been craving for the past several years, a player with his skill at being a playmaker?
Cassano, unlike Mutu, is a once in a generation type of talent, and if you can get him for what amounts to an unknown quantity (Mutu), an unproven quantity (Chiellini), and cash, how on earth could Moggi turn that down??
Besides, Cassano is practically DYING to come here, and you can't hope that a player of his skill will all of a sudden be available on a free transfer. That shit just doesn't happen. When was the last time a player of his age, skill and potential was available for nothing??
Would you pay money to watch Mutu play for 90 minutes, or would you pay to watch Cassano for 90 minutes?
I would most certainly pay to watch Cassano.
Mutu is a really nice player, but Cassano is special.
That, my friend, is the difference.
I found Mutu was also a very special player the last time he kicked a football in Serie A, does that count?
It's not so much about wasting players as it is wasting cash....no no, check that. In reality we are wasting a great player who we got on free by not seeing what he can do at Juventus. That seems like a wasteful and hasty decision to me.
Cassano's contract expires in 2006 and if there is no agreement reached he might be able to leave on a free transfer, just another one of the foulups by Romanista management. If not a free he would just sign a new contract and we will pick him up anyway, just like the Emerson deal of last year.
Would I pay money to see either of them? Hell yeah dawg, I'd pay money to see Zalayeta play for Juventus.
But my opinion on this subject remains....if Mutu regains his top form he can be as good as Cassano and the latter's purchase will turn out redundant.
It's not so much about wasting players as it is wasting cash....no no, check that. In reality we are wasting a great player who we got on free by not seeing what he can do at Juventus. That seems like a wasteful and hasty decision to me.
Cassano's contract expires in 2006 and if there is no agreement reached he might be able to leave on a free transfer, just another one of the foulups by Romanista management. If not a free he would just sign a new contract and we will pick him up anyway, just like the Emerson deal of last year.
Would I pay money to see either of them? Hell yeah dawg, I'd pay money to see Zalayeta play for Juventus.
But my opinion on this subject remains....if Mutu regains his top form he can be as good as Cassano and the latter's purchase will turn out redundant.
In hindsight, IF Cassano does indeed come here, then acquiring Vieira makes a lot more sense.
Having Emerson and Vieira control the midfield while allowing Cassano to run wild in a playmaker mode not only gives Juve the creative spark that has been lacking, but will allow them to do so at no expense to our midfield cover.
And to counterpoint your economic argument, don't think for one second that the powers that be aren't looking at Cassano as a potential financial windfall.
How, you ask?
Simple. My theory to the dwindling attendace at the Delle Alpi is this, and I could be mistaken, so if Paul or anyone else who attends the matches regularly can correct me on this, feel free to do so.
Now, we all know that the supporters in the Curvas will always be there no matter who is on the pitch. However, its that Joe Average that Juve is trying to attract to the matches on a more consistent basis.
Juventini have always craved and demanded superstars on the pitch, particularly Italian ones. Now, Del Piero is still a star in terms of name recognition and emotional value, but his best days are behind him. I compare him to "Star Wars". Great feature, always has been, always will be, but when it comes right down to it, after a while, you stop watching it, because you've already seen it before hundreds of times, and its time for something new to draw the people in.
Enter Antonio Cassano.
Having Emerson and Vieira control the midfield while allowing Cassano to run wild in a playmaker mode not only gives Juve the creative spark that has been lacking, but will allow them to do so at no expense to our midfield cover.
And to counterpoint your economic argument, don't think for one second that the powers that be aren't looking at Cassano as a potential financial windfall.
How, you ask?
Simple. My theory to the dwindling attendace at the Delle Alpi is this, and I could be mistaken, so if Paul or anyone else who attends the matches regularly can correct me on this, feel free to do so.
Now, we all know that the supporters in the Curvas will always be there no matter who is on the pitch. However, its that Joe Average that Juve is trying to attract to the matches on a more consistent basis.
Juventini have always craved and demanded superstars on the pitch, particularly Italian ones. Now, Del Piero is still a star in terms of name recognition and emotional value, but his best days are behind him. I compare him to "Star Wars". Great feature, always has been, always will be, but when it comes right down to it, after a while, you stop watching it, because you've already seen it before hundreds of times, and its time for something new to draw the people in.
Enter Antonio Cassano.
Well, of course your opinion counts
Don't be so sure of that. The old adage "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" could very well apply here as far as Roma is concerned.
That's a skewed opinion Andy, because you've never seen them play. Check out my previous post for my opinion on that.
Don't be so sure of that. The old adage "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" could very well apply here as far as Roma is concerned.
That's a skewed opinion Andy, because you've never seen them play. Check out my previous post for my opinion on that.
Well the part about people craving great Italian prospects is certainly true. There is also this unspoken quest of finding an hier to the thrown for Del Piero, and it's obvious Cassano fits the bill except for his temperment. In reality this deal will 99% go down before the window ends.
About Cassano being used as a playmaker, I doubt Capello will change his tactics just to suit a playmaker behind the strikers. Now if we decide to play the 4-3-3, which I hope we will indeed use, Cassano will be given freedom to roam in attack along with Ibrahimovic and in essence Antonio will be able to become our playmaker that way. However, for the moment, I don't see Capello switching from a straight 4-4-2 and straight 4-3-3 just to compensate Cassano.
Cassano, Zlatan, and Trezeguet....that would be one hell of a strike force, perhaps the world's best.
About Cassano being used as a playmaker, I doubt Capello will change his tactics just to suit a playmaker behind the strikers. Now if we decide to play the 4-3-3, which I hope we will indeed use, Cassano will be given freedom to roam in attack along with Ibrahimovic and in essence Antonio will be able to become our playmaker that way. However, for the moment, I don't see Capello switching from a straight 4-4-2 and straight 4-3-3 just to compensate Cassano.
Cassano, Zlatan, and Trezeguet....that would be one hell of a strike force, perhaps the world's best.
Well, didn't he basically do that with Totti while he was in Roma?
And there is NO DOUBT that the trio of Cassano, Zlatan, and Trezeguet would be the best strike force in the world.
Add Vieira to the midfield, hope that Nedved can stay relatively healthy, which he should be able to do since he won't be asked to do as much this season, and if Camo can somehow even match last year's form. Look out.
And if Thuram and Cannavaro can hold off Father Time for one more season, then this squad is most definitely CL Cup bound, no questions asked.
Getting Kovac, Giannicheda, Balzaretti, and Abbiati for free were master strokes by Moggi.
There is more depth on this squad if Cassano comes over than at any time I can remember in the last 8 years.
THAT'S how good this squad can be.