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Slagathor

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Well I couldn't possibly derail this thread and it might be nice to offer the other readers of this thread something other than that ridiculous jaecole fight that's going on here.

Plus, I hate PM

What's the situation like if you want to rent an affordable place? Like a small apartment or summat. Is that difficult/expensive?

Just your general impression of the city would be nice if you could give it. Is it pretty/liveable/dangerous etc

Thanks :)
 

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swag

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++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
Well I couldn't possibly derail this thread and it might be nice to offer the other readers of this thread something other than that ridiculous jaecole fight that's going on here.
Nice idea, Erik. Maybe together we can help drown it out/change the unproductive subject?

What's the situation like if you want to rent an affordable place? Like a small apartment or summat. Is that difficult/expensive?

Just your general impression of the city would be nice if you could give it. Is it pretty/liveable/dangerous etc
Affordability
Housing costs are the biggest chunk of your income in this area. Here it is one of the highest in the U.S. The good news for renters is that the cost of renting hasn't increased all that much over the past few years, while the price of homes has rocketed up with the global housing bubble going on.

Availability
In high economic times, renting can get very ugly. For one, because the home costs can be so high there are people who try to recoup their "investments" as landlords. When jobs are plentiful here, the rents can get very scary due to high demand. Right now there's a good demand, but also a halfway decent supply of units... so things are pricey and expensive compared to most places in the U.S., but things in the area have been about as affordable as they have been in about 6-7 years.

For example, in 1998, my wife and I rented a two bedroom apartment in a pretty nice neighborhood for what seemed like a scary sum of $1900/mo at the time. By the time we moved out to buy a place of our own (and we couldn't afford the neighborhood where we were renting), the landlord was asking $2700/mo of the next renters.

Though I've been out of the renters market for a while, today I believe the prices are closer to the 1998 levels. In nicer neighborhoods a 2-bedroom can cost well over $2.5k and a good 1-bedroom can cost $1.7k+. On the lower end in cheaper neighborhoods, you might get a 1-brm place closer to something over $1k/month. If you're looking for really cheap, pick up a place looking for a housemate - as they may be under rent control and have a sweet deal to share.

On the other hand, because of the expense, because crime doesn't pay, you almost can't afford to be too much of a criminal to live around here... so it's generally pretty safe.

Livability
Housing is expensive for a very good reason: demand. This city has its flaws like all other cities, but it's one of my favorite cities in the world. It's a good place to be younger, but not to have kids or be older. The weather is very moderate (though many complain of the cold and fog in the summer) and often very sunny. The scenic setting of this area is beautiful: mountains, water, etc. There are vast open space parks with mountains and redwood forests and surfing and whatnot within short driving distance in all directions. The food/restaurants are excellent.

As the reputation suggests, there is a large and outspoken gay community. But there are also a lot of Central Americans, Asians, Russians, a few Italians :D, and yes -- even beautiful heterosexual women too for that matter. So something for everyone -- it's pretty diverse.
 

Respaul

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Actually, what's ruining this thread is you refusing to answer questions.


Sort it out. ;)
Sorry Z, with all this other crap... you kind of went un noticed....

ANswer your question... Does it matter?

Interestingly we have had this discussion before and you personally have commented on it...
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


Nice idea, Erik. Maybe together we can help drown it out/change the unproductive subject?



Affordability
Housing costs are the biggest chunk of your income in this area. Here it is one of the highest in the U.S. The good news for renters is that the cost of renting hasn't increased all that much over the past few years, while the price of homes has rocketed up with the global housing bubble going on.

Availability
In high economic times, renting can get very ugly. For one, because the home costs can be so high there are people who try to recoup their "investments" as landlords. When jobs are plentiful here, the rents can get very scary due to high demand. Right now there's a good demand, but also a halfway decent supply of units... so things are pricey and expensive compared to most places in the U.S., but things in the area have been about as affordable as they have been in about 6-7 years.

For example, in 1998, my wife and I rented a two bedroom apartment in a pretty nice neighborhood for what seemed like a scary sum of $1900/mo at the time. By the time we moved out to buy a place of our own (and we couldn't afford the neighborhood where we were renting), the landlord was asking $2700/mo of the next renters.

Though I've been out of the renters market for a while, today I believe the prices are closer to the 1998 levels. In nicer neighborhoods a 2-bedroom can cost well over $2.5k and a good 1-bedroom can cost $1.7k+. On the lower end in cheaper neighborhoods, you might get a 1-brm place closer to something over $1k/month. If you're looking for really cheap, pick up a place looking for a housemate - as they may be under rent control and have a sweet deal to share.

On the other hand, because of the expense, because crime doesn't pay, you almost can't afford to be too much of a criminal to live around here... so it's generally pretty safe.

Livability
Housing is expensive for a very good reason: demand. This city has its flaws like all other cities, but it's one of my favorite cities in the world. It's a good place to be younger, but not to have kids or be older. The weather is very moderate (though many complain of the cold and fog in the summer) and often very sunny. The scenic setting of this area is beautiful: mountains, water, etc. There are vast open space parks with mountains and redwood forests and surfing and whatnot within short driving distance in all directions. The food/restaurants are excellent.

As the reputation suggests, there is a large and outspoken gay community. But there are also a lot of Central Americans, Asians, Russians, a few Italians :D, and yes -- even beautiful heterosexual women too for that matter. So something for everyone -- it's pretty diverse.
That sounds pretty cool! Thanks! :cool:

Obviously I'm nowhere near finalising this whole thing yet but if I ever get to that stage, could I ask you for some further info? I think we're talking November here at earlierst...

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Wow, Erik, San Francisco, huh? I suppose that is a good choice if you want to live in one of the fastest growing metropolitan areas in our nation. ;)
I'm a city person :)
 

Respaul

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geez... you lot cant give it up can you... insult after insult after insult...

Everything focusses on what happened yesterday rather than what you are arguing about in the first place.... Whatever people have said over the last days is the result and not the cause...

This has been simmering for months what jae or vinni said yesterday is irrelevant... thats jus the culmination of all this hostility....

Is it really beyond you all to discuss it anywhere near a civil manor... Was a fairly decent forum once...
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Claireisback ] ++


Show me an example.

Again, all accusations, no substance.
Backing Jaecole in his rant against Italians, saying the English on this forum do not start "shit" when actually they do, getting upset when Vinni lashes out at Jaecole after the latter made a rude comment about his wife...if you can't see that you're blind. You accuse the Americans on here of being so tight-knit, yet the same is obvious about your trio. I don't see a discussion here at all!
 

Bjerknes

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++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
geez... you lot cant give it up can you... insult after insult after insult...


Is it really beyond you all to discuss it anywhere near a civil manor... Was a fairly decent forum once...
I agree. That's why we should just put a stop to it once and for all, however it only takes one party to throw shit at the fan.
 
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IncuboRossonero

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    Enough of this garbage..whoever Claireisback is...please, KNOW the facts before making a defense for JaeChild. He didn't only label a group of individuals based on their actions...he followed it up by commenting on their physical characterestics to make a point..which had no bearing on anything. He tried to backpedal and pretend it was something else..we all know what it was: hatred being taken to a dangerous level and picking on things people cannot help (skin, hair) to put them down.
     

    swag

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    ++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
    That sounds pretty cool! Thanks! :cool:

    Obviously I'm nowhere near finalising this whole thing yet but if I ever get to that stage, could I ask you for some further info? I think we're talking November here at earlierst...
    I'd be happy to help.

    And Nick: you know my offer still stands as an ambassador to our fine city for another Juventuz regular. :D

    I'm a city person :)
    SF isn't growing much within city boundaries itself. It's developed and landlocked. Another reason why the demand = higher prices. People are developing on the outskirts, however, in search of cheaper land and larger, new homes with big backyards... the supercommuter thing that is happening in a lot of American cities.

    If you want to know cities that are truly growing, San Jose still has land to burn (literally) that, if fully populated, could rival L.A. proper in population. And then there are places like Phoenix, AZ :yuck: -- which is like all the bad things about L.A. (smog, overcrowding, Dennys per square mile) but without any of its good things (like the ocean).

    And for the record, should you move to SF, you'll have to learn how to despise LA. ;)
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
    Enough of this garbage..whoever Claireisback is...please, KNOW the facts before making a defense for JaeChild. He didn't only label a group of individuals based on their actions...he followed it up by commenting on their physical characterestics to make a point..which had no bearing on anything. He tried to backpedal and pretend it was something else..we all know what it was: hatred being taken to a dangerous level and picking on things people cannot help (skin, hair) to put them down.
    Exxxxxxactly.
     

    Slagathor

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    ++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
    And for the record, should you move to SF, you'll have to learn how to despise LA. ;)
    Deal. Went to Amsterdam and successfully started hating Rotterdam within a day so it should be doable for me :D

    Would you advise living in a commuter town (that the right word) rather than in the city itself or isn't that a good idea with travel time etc?
     

    swag

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    ++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
    Would you advise living in a commuter town (that the right word) rather than in the city itself or isn't that a good idea with travel time etc?
    Depends on your priorities. I don't mind the parking hassles and congested spaces of city living, and since I work in the city proper it's ideal to spend a little more to live in the city. If you're working on the outskirts/in the suburbs, prefer that kind of living (it sounds not), and want to save a little money for more space - that's probably a better choice.

    My sense is that you'd either want to live in the city proper (there are more affordable neighborhoods than others, and the most affordable are often pretty high on character) or commute from a more urban nearby town with good public transit connections to the city -- like Berkeley or even some nicer parts of Oakland across the Bay.
     
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    IncuboRossonero

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    Anyone know what U.S. station broadcasts the TOUR DE FRANCE ..if any?

    Erik, I once lived in a suburb outside of SF for a little over a year...while I enjoyed it I would not recommend it to someone your age and especially if you are going to be there for a limited time. You want to get the SF experience..as Greg mentioned: Characters, self-proclaimed artists, etc. P.S. Never call it 'Frisco'...in my time the locals refered to it as 'San Fran'..don't know if it changed now.
     

    Zlatan

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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


    Sorry Z, with all this other crap... you kind of went un noticed....

    ANswer your question... Does it matter?

    Interestingly we have had this discussion before and you personally have commented on it...

    I have the memory span of a gold fish, so I really can't remember :D


    And TBH it does matter a bit, I mean, when you talk to someone for a period of time, you don't want to keep it so formal and sterile, which is how it is if you have to refer to someone by their made up nickname.

    So, until you PM me your name, I'll just call you Mr. X :D
     

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