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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Elaborate how? That has simply been my experience. I certainly don't know enough Afghans to make a general judgment about Afghans or Afghanistan. But the couple I've helped? Yeah, they lied. A lot. Maybe it's something that in Afghan culture isn't that bad of a thing, I wouldn't know. But in Belgium it's certainly considered very annoying.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I would just like to know more of how the Afghan refugees you have dealt with have lied. I cant see what they'd have to lie about.
Are you serious? You can't see what they'd have to lie about, knowing that if they make up a credible story about being a refugee, they'd be given shelter and money in Belgium?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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How exactly would an Afghan not be a credible refugee? There is still a war going on there and suicide bombings occur almost daily.
That's not enough to be considered a refugee.

A refugee is:

"A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.."

Also, whilst there is subsidiary protection in Belgium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiary_protection), some parts of Afghanistan are generally considered safe. Some asylum seekers will therefore either lie about being persecuted or lie about where in Afghanistan they're from.

But honestly I can deal with that type of lies. It's normal for people to want to improve their lives and I can understand them when they say they don't want to go back to Afghanistan. The problem is a lot of these Afghans seem to have had no education or decent upbringing whatsoever. Add to that the fact the vast majority are young men and I'm sure you realise in what way they might cause significant problems for other (female) refugees.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,325
Afghan civilians are targeted everyday by Paki backed Taliban due to the fact that they do not follow their extreme religious views. Would that not be enough to be considered a refugee under this definition? Not to mention the Hazara Afghans (asian Afghans) who I believe are the ones who mostly migrate to Europe and Australia are targeted by Taliban due to their Mongol heritage
Lots of Afghans are in fact considered refugees, indeed Hazaras generally have a good chance of being acknowledged as a refugee. This doesn't mean all Afghans are refugees though.

tbh I would not consider any area particularly safe as in these supposedly safe cities there are countless suicide bombings which have taken place.
Neither would I. But for another country to offer you money and shelter a certain threshold needs to be reached. Personally I think we should work to getting rid of borders altogether, but for now they exist and you need to meet certain criteria to be helped by other countries.

TBH I would prefer if Afghans would stay in Afghanistan and try to rebuild the country, though this is rich coming from me laying in my bed in the US. I also do not believe that Belgium has an obligation to host Afghan refugees as you guys have never wronged us. Also id like to add these rowdy Afghans are most likely Pakis who are disguised as Afghans. For example that guy who massacred those people in the German train station with a machette a few months back was in reality a Paki disguised as an Afghan since for some reason Europeans cannot tell us apart.

I appreciate u taking the time to elaborate.
You're right. It's never a good thing when people start leaving your country.

As for the last part, they go through very extensive background checks in Belgium. As we get a lof of Afghans, there are also Afghan interpreters who help with the interrogation. People will be asked for very specific things about where they claim to be from too. It's not impossible to successfully fake being an Afghan, but it is unlikely.
 

ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
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Lots of Afghans are in fact considered refugees, indeed Hazaras generally have a good chance of being acknowledged as a refugee. This doesn't mean all Afghans are refugees though.



Neither would I. But for another country to offer you money and shelter a certain threshold needs to be reached. Personally I think we should work to getting rid of borders altogether, but for now they exist and you need to meet certain criteria to be helped by other countries.



You're right. It's never a good thing when people start leaving your country.

As for the last part, they go through very extensive background checks in Belgium. As we get a lof of Afghans, there are also Afghan interpreters who help with the interrogation. People will be asked for very specific things about where they claim to be from too. It's not impossible to successfully fake being an Afghan, but it is unlikely.
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Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
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[video=facebook;10154252298838155]https://www.facebook.com/salviniofficial/videos/10154252298838155/[/video]

the govt sending "refugees" against the owner will into his hotel.

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Basically he doesn't want them but they're still bringing those people there.
Then they're asking for keys of the rooms and he says "i don't have them" and then the guy tells him we'll call firefighters to forcefully open them and dmg fees will be on you.

That's a private propriety not public in anyway.
Then you wonder why italians aren't happy with this sheet
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
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These fuckers are as racist as white supremacists.
They crack me up. They're hard to distinguish from self-parody, which is a sweet spot.

It's as if someone came up with new things to be offended by and tried to make anybody feel guilty for interacting with someone of a different race, nationality, or gender.
 

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