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[king Ale]

I have started feeling bad for you

"Objectively speaking, the unprecedented, bloody terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday night were not related to the European refugee crisis that has rumbled on for many months."

Were they?

"There's no reason to believe that refugees or foreigners are the source of these terrorist attacks, so keeping them out won't prevent further attacks."

Was there?

 

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[ZoSo]

I have started feeling bad for you

"Objectively speaking, the unprecedented, bloody terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday night were not related to the European refugee crisis that has rumbled on for many months."

Were they?

"There's no reason to believe that refugees or foreigners are the source of these terrorist attacks, so keeping them out won't prevent further attacks."

Was there?

No, I should feel sorry for you, the brainwashing is too strong.

Did you even read the articles? Nice cherry picking.

Objectively speaking, the unprecedented, bloody terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday night were not related to the European refugee crisis that has rumbled on for many months. Certainly the attacks could not have been caused by France’s acceptance of refugees because France, unlike Germany and Sweden, has not been accepting large numbers of refugees. Nor is it credible to believe that recently arrived refugees from the Syrian war were primarily responsible for organizing a complex series of attacks. People who climbed mountains or crossed the Mediterranean on rafts did not arrive in France and transform themselves immediately into armed terrorist killers.

The whole slant is that refugees have nothing to do with terrorism, which is clearly not "objectively true" at all.

The second one is not "objectively true" either

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36827725


Mrs Anti Europe herself has now even said that are terrorists among refugees
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-extremists-merkel-idUSKCN0ZR1AH

Or is your programming too strong and you will still refute this?

 

[king Ale]

You cherry picked those parts for me lol But it's okay, thanks I guess, although what I asked for was a source claiming that refugees will not commit crimes.

 

[ZoSo]

You cherry picked those parts for me lol But it's okay, thanks I guess, although what I asked for was a source claiming that refugees will not commit crimes.

This post is embarrassing. I just gave you two sources stating exactly that. A source claiming that refugees will not commit crimes: "cracking down on refugees won’t make us safer, because that's simply not where the problem comes from". Yesterday we have an attack from a refugee. But because it doesn't suit your agenda you have ignored it and the best you can do is act like a brain-dead moron that thinks being smug means you are right. You can keep acting smug and trying to obfuscate the truth, but you can't change the truth.

 

[Seven]

That's vile language

Considering it's not "objectively true" at all

...http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36827725

Did you hit your head today?

Uhm both sources said refugees had nothing to do with the Paris attacks. They didn't.

 

[ZoSo]

Uhm both sources said refugees had nothing to do with the Paris attacks. They didn't.

Nope

cracking down on refugees won’t make us safer, because that's simply not where the problem comes from

 

[Seven]

Nope

Well, that's an opinion. And an opinion that is likely to be correct. But it doesn't say no refugee will ever commit a crime or a terrorist attack. It's just not the major source of these issues. I think you'd have to be incredibly narrowminded and racist to think it is tbh. Have you ever met someone from outside your country (whatever that country might be)?

 

[ZoSo]

Well, that's an opinion. And an opinion that is likely to be correct. But it doesn't say no refugee will ever commit a crime or a terrorist attack. It's just not the major source of these issues. I think you'd have to be incredibly narrowminded and racist to think it is tbh. Have you ever met someone from outside your country (whatever that country might be)?

Well it's not correct and that is exactly what it is saying. A terrorist attack is a terrorist attack, end of story. If I had to, I would (sadly) put money on this not being the last attack from a refugee. And no, I've never even met someone from outside my house.

 

[Seven]

Well it's not correct and that is exactly what it is saying. A terrorist attack is a terrorist attack, end of story. If I had to, I would (sadly) put money on this not being the last attack from a refugee. And no, I've never even met someone from outside my house.

Which attack are you referring to?

 

[ZoSo]

Which attack are you referring to?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36827725

 

[Seven]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36827725

So at a time when permanent residents of the EU have performed attacks that have killed hundreds by now, you choose to focus on an incident involving a 17 year old who injured four people with an axe before being shot to death? I don't know. I'd guess it's bad too, but the only reason you'd focus on this instead of the Paris, Brussels and Nice attacks that have been far, far worse would be that you have an agenda.

 

[ZoSo]

So at a time when permanent residents of the EU have performed attacks that have killed hundreds by now, you choose to focus on an incident involving a 17 year old who injured four people with an axe before being shot to death? I don't know. I'd guess it's bad too, but the only reason you'd focus on this instead of the Paris, Brussels and Nice attacks that have been far, far worse would be that you have an agenda.

No, I was just talking about the other incidents with you a couple of days ago. If this is what a 17 year old refugee will do, then there should be cause for concern. Even Merkel admitted it. They are all terrible and need to be addressed properly. Saying things like refugees will never commit an act of terrorism is just wrong though.

 

[Seven]

No, I was just talking about the other incidents with you a couple of days ago. If this is what a 17 year old will do, then there should be cause for concern. Even Merkel admitted it. They are all terrible and need to be addressed properly.

Refugees are coming from conflict zones. To be recognized as a refugee, you also have to persecuted personally. Of course lots of these people are going to be traumatized. And traumatized people, as sad as it may be, are usually dangerous people. Look at Iraq or Afghanistan veterans who suddenly go crazy in malls or something. So yeah, this kid went crazy. No one's denying that. No one's denying that refugees will put a strain on society.

But they are not the reason for large scale terrorist attacks. They're just not. And arguing that they are is kind of silly at this point, when every major attack has been carried out by someone who already lived in Europe and for the most part even grew up here.

 

[ZoSo]

Refugees are coming from conflict zones. To be recognized as a refugee, you also have to persecuted personally. Of course lots of these people are going to be traumatized. And traumatized people, as sad as it may be, are usually dangerous people. Look at Iraq or Afghanistan veterans who suddenly go crazy in malls or something. So yeah, this kid went crazy. No one's denying that. No one's denying that refugees will put a strain on society.

But they are not the reason for large scale terrorist attacks. They're just not. And arguing that they are is kind of silly at this point, when every major attack has been carried out by someone who already lived in Europe and for the most part even grew up here.

I think you're wrong there, you're just making an assumption based on his status. If anything, what we know suggests that it was terrorism - which is of course going crazy in itself, but not how you are saying it. There are many other ways to vent than to commit an act that looks an awful lot like terrorism...

At this point, the bigger problem is obviously the "homegrown" terrorists, but to ignore this is again just silly. This person is obviously not going to be the only refugee of this mindset.

 

[Seven]

I think you're wrong there, you're just making an assumption based on his status. If anything, what we know suggests that it was terrorism - which is of course going crazy in itself, but not how you are saying it. There are many other ways to vent than to commit an act that looks an awful lot like terrorism...

At this point, the bigger problem is obviously the "homegrown" terrorists, but to ignore this is again just silly. This person is obviously not going to be the only refugee of this mindset.

Sure. But even if it's a terrorist that's still only saying as much as that sometimes bad people are among immigrants too. Of course they are. If there are criminals in France, there are bound to be criminals in Afghanistan too. And it should be an argument for better screening. But in the big scheme of things that is no justification for not allowing refugees into Europe though. I guess I just don't understand what your point is.

 

[ZoSo]

Sure. But even if it's a terrorist that's still only saying as much as that sometimes bad people are among immigrants too. Of course they are. If there are criminals in France, there are bound to be criminals in Afghanistan too. And it should be an argument for better screening. But in the big scheme of things that is no justification for not allowing refugees into Europe though. I guess I just don't understand what your point is.

My point is there are many people who will push their agenda that refugees are harmless when that is clearly not the case (rapes, for one..). These kind of agendas (pushed in a lot of mainstream media) brainwash people to think everything will be kumbaya and flowers and everything will continue as they were. This is a problem now in many countries, because people have realised they have been blatantly lied to (even by the Govt.) about this situation and are turning to very right wing ideologies in response. It's not a recipe for success.

 

[Seven]

My point is there are many people who will push their agenda that refugees are harmless when that is clearly not the case (rapes, for one..). These kind of agendas (pushed in a lot of mainstream media) brainwash people to think everything will be kumbaya and flowers and everything will continue as they were. This is a problem now in many countries, because people have realised they have been blatantly lied to (even by the Govt.) about this situation and are turning to very right wing ideologies in response. It's not a recipe for success.

What you're describing is mostly a countermovement to right wing extremists. It isn't the right response as it's not true either, but it's understandable. In reality most Western European countries do what they should do: accept refugees after thorough background checks.

 

[ZoSo]

What you're describing is mostly a countermovement to right wing extremists. It isn't the right response as it's not true either, but it's understandable. In reality most Western European countries do what they should do: accept refugees after thorough background checks.

Not really, the liberal agenda has been the most commonplace narrative for some time now. The counter movement is against the liberal agenda. The deceptiveness is part of the problem as well, it's utter insanity. 'Most', unfortunately there are hundreds of thousands of refugees that have been let in without a background check.

 

[Seven]

Not really, the liberal agenda has been the most commonplace narrative for some time now. The counter movement is against the liberal agenda. The deceptiveness is part of the problem as well. 'Most', unfortunately there are hundreds of thousands of refugees that have been let in without a background check.

Oh. I see. You think countries actually want to take in refugees. Nevermind.

 

[ZoSo]

Oh. I see. You think countries actually want to take in refugees. Nevermind.

I didnt say that, don't assume