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love that guyon a serious note though, yea it is scary how so many jobs can be replaced with automation in the near future and its even scarier seeing early examples of it like this. what are first world societies going to look like when Mcdonalds decides its cheaper to automate their process then hire staff who want increasing wages and benefits.
Then a Mcdonalds will have two employees total and theyll be mechanical engineers. Its kind of ironic all these people demonstrating for higher minimum wage won't be able to find minimum wage jobs without a college degree and specialised skills.
love that guyon a serious note though, yea it is scary how so many jobs can be replaced with automation in the near future and its even scarier seeing early examples of it like this. what are first world societies going to look like when Mcdonalds decides its cheaper to automate their process then hire staff who want increasing wages and benefits.
Then a Mcdonalds will have two employees total and theyll be mechanical engineers. Its kind of ironic all these people demonstrating for higher minimum wage won't be able to find minimum wage jobs without a college degree and specialised skills.
Do it locally --> send the job overseas to cheaper labor supplies --> replace labor supplies with robotics/AI
We deal with this info all the time at work. An estimated 47% of the world's jobs will likely no longer exist in 20 years due to this shift.
love that guyon a serious note though, yea it is scary how so many jobs can be replaced with automation in the near future and its even scarier seeing early examples of it like this. what are first world societies going to look like when Mcdonalds decides its cheaper to automate their process then hire staff who want increasing wages and benefits.
Then a Mcdonalds will have two employees total and theyll be mechanical engineers. Its kind of ironic all these people demonstrating for higher minimum wage won't be able to find minimum wage jobs without a college degree and specialised skills.
We're not and it's naive to think that we are. That sort of thinking doesn't even make sense imo. The point of life is not work. We should always strive to reduce the total number of hours people have to work. And to be perfectly honest we have done so, but now resort to bullshit jobs to make people work anyway. Look at HR. There's an entire sector we don't really need. In the end these bullshit jobs will be automated. As for blue collar jobs.. You can't magically transform a lorry driver into a nurse. Chances are very high this was the one thing the guy was any good at.
I guess what I'm trying to say is:
1. Not all jobs will be replaced with other jobs
2. As a society we need to stop creating bullshit jobs
3. We need to think about what comes next
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love that guy
on a serious note though, yea it is scary how so many jobs can be replaced with automation in the near future and its even scarier seeing early examples of it like this. what are first world societies going to look like when Mcdonalds decides its cheaper to automate their process then hire staff who want increasing wages and benefits.
Then a Mcdonalds will have two employees total and theyll be mechanical engineers. Its kind of ironic all these people demonstrating for higher minimum wage won't be able to find minimum wage jobs without a college degree and specialised skills.
The only reason McDonalds isn't automated right now is that it would cost a lot of money to change all the infrastructure and facilities they have. I mean, if you were to create a fastfood chain right now, surely you wouldn't employ a lot of people in the actual restaurant? That seems so wasteful.
I guess what I'm trying to say is:
1. Not all jobs will be replaced with other jobs
2. As a society we need to stop creating bullshit jobs
3. We need to think about what comes next
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love that guyon a serious note though, yea it is scary how so many jobs can be replaced with automation in the near future and its even scarier seeing early examples of it like this. what are first world societies going to look like when Mcdonalds decides its cheaper to automate their process then hire staff who want increasing wages and benefits.
Then a Mcdonalds will have two employees total and theyll be mechanical engineers. Its kind of ironic all these people demonstrating for higher minimum wage won't be able to find minimum wage jobs without a college degree and specialised skills.
History says otherwise, throughout history we've had jobs that have become obsolete, but we also keep creating new jobs. I don't agree that they are bullshit jobs, because if they are, organizations(especially those in the private sector) would stop employing people in those jobs.
Ya, in a perfect imaginary world, none of us would need to work and we'd all just have a source of income we can survive on without having to work. That isn't going to happen anytime soon though. The whole concept of work has been around in some form or the other throughout the history of mankind.
I disagree with you about HR too, there are many problems with the field that I could go on about for days, it isn't as well defined a profession as the older fashioned professions, but someone has to do the functions HR do. Saying they shouldn't exist is not a solution, finding ways to make HR more effective is what we should be thinking about, but that's a whole other matter.
Ya, in a perfect imaginary world, none of us would need to work and we'd all just have a source of income we can survive on without having to work. That isn't going to happen anytime soon though. The whole concept of work has been around in some form or the other throughout the history of mankind.
I disagree with you about HR too, there are many problems with the field that I could go on about for days, it isn't as well defined a profession as the older fashioned professions, but someone has to do the functions HR do. Saying they shouldn't exist is not a solution, finding ways to make HR more effective is what we should be thinking about, but that's a whole other matter.
Not necessarily so. In many cases it probably pays to have employees. You know just how powerful a company with 50,000 employees will be politically? HR is bullshit, I'm not even answering that. It's something that should be done on the side, not fulltime.
As for the rest of your post.. The lack of vision is shocking and downright dangerous. We won't replace the jobs. Not this time around. Because like I said, you can't magically transform lorry drivers into nurses. You might be able to make them waiters. But will restaurants need waiters? What the fuck do you think these people will do? Please.. Tell me. Because right now I'm looking at a world full of unemployed 25-30 year olds and I see people everywhere saying that we probably won't be able to give them jobs. You think otherwise. Tell me. What the fuck will the lorry driver do?
Have a read: http://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirvana-185306
As for the rest of your post.. The lack of vision is shocking and downright dangerous. We won't replace the jobs. Not this time around. Because like I said, you can't magically transform lorry drivers into nurses. You might be able to make them waiters. But will restaurants need waiters? What the fuck do you think these people will do? Please.. Tell me. Because right now I'm looking at a world full of unemployed 25-30 year olds and I see people everywhere saying that we probably won't be able to give them jobs. You think otherwise. Tell me. What the fuck will the lorry driver do?
Have a read: http://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirvana-185306
The debate about whether or not we need HR is actually a genuine debate, so you aren't really making any far fetched argument there, but like I said, that's another argument for another day.
You might be missing my point, you're talking about individual jobs, my point was more broad. What I'm saying is, throughout history jobs have become obsolete, but parallel to that, there have always been new jobs created. For example; HR, there used to be no such thing before the 20th century, now it's a profession, with hundreds of thousands of workers employed all over the world, it's now possible to get a degree in HR, when even 20-25 years ago that didn't exist. A job that has become obsolete, milkmen. What did milkmen do when there job became obsolete, they used their existing skills, or obtained new skills that allowed them to do something else, and that's what lorry drivers will do as well.
The point is, we will always find something to do for work, we always have and always will. There is absolutely no evidence that we are moving towards a world where people don't have to work anymore.
You might be missing my point, you're talking about individual jobs, my point was more broad. What I'm saying is, throughout history jobs have become obsolete, but parallel to that, there have always been new jobs created. For example; HR, there used to be no such thing before the 20th century, now it's a profession, with hundreds of thousands of workers employed all over the world, it's now possible to get a degree in HR, when even 20-25 years ago that didn't exist. A job that has become obsolete, milkmen. What did milkmen do when there job became obsolete, they used their existing skills, or obtained new skills that allowed them to do something else, and that's what lorry drivers will do as well.
The point is, we will always find something to do for work, we always have and always will. There is absolutely no evidence that we are moving towards a world where people don't have to work anymore.
BTW they are not quite obsolete yet but it's relatively niche (UK has something like 8000-9000).Okay. I can see why you need HR from a function perspective, I just disagree with the fact that it has become an industry on itself.
But I disagree with the way you think you can compare the past to the future. There has simply never been an automation of the scale that is predicted now. And the transition from a farmer to a factory worker is an easy one. Both are mainly unskilled labor. You can't expect a lorry driver to become a programmer, a doctor (we might need a whole lot less of those soon too) or an engineer.
But I disagree with the way you think you can compare the past to the future. There has simply never been an automation of the scale that is predicted now. And the transition from a farmer to a factory worker is an easy one. Both are mainly unskilled labor. You can't expect a lorry driver to become a programmer, a doctor (we might need a whole lot less of those soon too) or an engineer.
Not entirely. There are projections I hear out there that the future may need about a billion jobs, but that leaves the rest of society wondering what are they for. Their reasoning isn't half bad on this, IMO.
I am experience quite the opposite situation having lived in the Bay Area/Silicon Valley for the past 25+ years. People keep flocking here, and one of the prime reasons is that by some freak miracle this is where the decent jobs are for younger people. At the same time people are protesting gentrification here and housing prices going up, I also have to think that the economic success here also reflects the economic failures of the parents of this inbound generation: their mothers and fathers failed to generate the businesses that could sustainably create the next generation of decent employment.
It's not just their fault, but they bear some of the responsibility too. People aren't thinking enough about where their sons and daughters are next going to find gainful employment.
I am experience quite the opposite situation having lived in the Bay Area/Silicon Valley for the past 25+ years. People keep flocking here, and one of the prime reasons is that by some freak miracle this is where the decent jobs are for younger people. At the same time people are protesting gentrification here and housing prices going up, I also have to think that the economic success here also reflects the economic failures of the parents of this inbound generation: their mothers and fathers failed to generate the businesses that could sustainably create the next generation of decent employment.
It's not just their fault, but they bear some of the responsibility too. People aren't thinking enough about where their sons and daughters are next going to find gainful employment.
This topic should have its own thread:
"the cultural significance of the moustache"
http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2013/11/why-movember-isnt-all-its-cracked-be
"the cultural significance of the moustache"
http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2013/11/why-movember-isnt-all-its-cracked-be