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swag

swag

L'autista
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#141
Sep 23, 2003
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Mutu is damaged an questionable goods right now. As Juve, of course we need to be fiscally smart and responsible. But that doesn't mean we should be going to the calcio flea market, digging through others' trash and discards looking for the occasional bargain. We're not Sampdoria, for crying out loud.

We may be La Vecchia Signora -- the "Old Lady" -- but we should have a little self-respect before eating cat food to live up to the stereotype.
 

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Bjerknes

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
#142
Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
Mutu is damaged an questionable goods right now. As Juve, of course we need to be fiscally smart and responsible. But that doesn't mean we should be going to the calcio flea market, digging through others' trash and discards looking for the occasional bargain. We're not Sampdoria, for crying out loud.
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I hope you are not implying Mutu is trash Greg. You must not have seen many Hellas Verona or Parma matches over the years. One of the greatest talents in the world? FREE? You would be an imbecile not to take Mutu.
 
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L'autista
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#144
Sep 23, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I hope you are not implying Mutu is trash Greg. You must not have seen many Hellas Verona or Parma matches over the years. One of the greatest talents in the world? FREE? You would be an imbecile not to take Mutu.
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I'm not saying Mutu is trash at all. To be honest, I was hot on the idea of signing him back when there was the Chelsea tease at the start of the season.

But I've followed Mourinho enough to know that he would never take the extreme measure of seeking out a player, making the kind of public questions about form and commitment, and giving him that sort of cold shoulder without really having legitimate grounds for concern. Chelsea isn't exactly dripping with an excess of offensive talent these days (though they could certainly afford it), and you could make the argument that they could use the talents of an in-form Mutu as much as anybody.

For them to make the kind of stance they have on Mutu is a whole other level than just, say, a Rio Ferdinand ban over stupidity or suspicion. Mutu put himself in the Chelsea doghouse in a big way, and in a way I wouldn't just gloss over with a "Oh, it's just a one-time thing" or "Oh, he just wasn't a personality fit with the team" thing that we can expect to disappear if Mutu were simply on a different club.

Meanwhile, people in this thread seem quick to overlook this as if Mutu merely had a head cold or something.
 
aressandro10

aressandro10

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#145
Jul 30, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


That is a chance I am willing to take. And you speak like there is no hope for Mutu whatsoever. I am a fan of giving people second chances, and Mutu is too good not to deserve one. Even a coked up Mutu would be better than Del Piero IMO.
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i give people 2nd chance..but i need something to build it on. The opinion i have about Andrian Mutu's character and mental being doesnt help. Coupled with the thing we are dealing with is addictive drugs...u need more then 2 chance to get out of those...

i dont give benefit of doubt base on talent. Diego Maradona was given chance and chance... we all know how it turned out everytime...

performance enhancing drugs is one thing, but i really dont want Juve to promote people using recreative drugs as idols..
 
Bjerknes

Bjerknes

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#146
Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


Meanwhile, people in this thread seem quick to overlook this as if Mutu merely had a head cold or something.
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I don't think anyone is overlooking the fact that Mutu was addicted to coke. However, that does not mean he will continue to use coke. That also does not mean Mutu is now a worthless player. In business you have to take chances, as that is what makes or breaks an organization. If you do not take risks, you will not become successful. Mutu was a world class player, and now he would come for free. All of a sudden the "risk factor" for this opportunity has just decreased. The benifits of Mutu at Juve outweigh the risks....substantially. What if Mutu still has trouble with drugs? Simple, cancel his contract. There is no reason in my eyes NOT to bring Mutu to Turin.
 
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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Mutu certainly comes without 15MM in transfer fee baggage now ... and perhaps a slightly lower salary due to the perception of added risk. Either the Chelsea front office are complete imbeciles in running him out of the club or they had some element of a rational basis. Who knows -- perhaps it is a little of both. (It's not just the loss of a potentially good player, but it's compounded by giving away a potential asset to your competitors for next to nothing also.)

As a matter of policy, I'm not against Juve giving out-of-favor players a second chance. But given your resources and options at your disposal, ideally you should have other options to consider alongside being a half-way house for recovering failures from other clubs.
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
#148
Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


That is a chance I am willing to take. And you speak like there is no hope for Mutu whatsoever. I am a fan of giving people second chances, and Mutu is too good not to deserve one. Even a coked up Mutu would be better than Del Piero IMO.
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Thats why contracts are drawn up by professionals and has a lot of clauses, I'm sure we wouldnt pay him a dime if he got suspended, just like Chelsea didnt.
 
Ian

Ian

CULE
#149
Jul 12, 2002
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Its not,IMO marijuana is more addictive. But that depends on users financial abillity....
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You're out of your head. Every clinical study ever done has proven that cannabis is not physically addictive and is less psychologically addictive than cocaine. To say that cannabis is more addictive than cocaine is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard. Cocaine is a highly addictive drug both physically and psychologically. Furthermore, cocaine causes serious health problems for the user, while cannabis does not.

It's misinformed people like yourself who continue to propagate lies and conspiracy about cannabis. Seriously, that's just blatant and willing ignorance.

Here's an excerpt from narcotic anonymous:

Is cocaine addiction serious?
Cocaine addiction can occur very quickly and be very difficult to break. Animal studies have shown that animals will work very hard (press a bar over 10,000 times) for a single injection of cocaine, choose cocaine over food and water, and take cocaine even when this behavior is punished. Animals must have their access to cocaine limited in order not to take toxic or even lethal doses. People addicted to cocaine behave similarly. They will go to great lengths to get cocaine and continue to take it even when it hurts their school or job performance and their relationships with loved ones.
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And now let me quote the LaGuardia report, commonly acknowledged as the authoritative clinical study on the psychosocial and physical effects of cannabis:

The practice of smoking marihuana does not lead to addiction in the medical sense of the word.
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Don't spread lies, accept the truth.
 
Ian

Ian

CULE
#150
Jul 12, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I don't think anyone is overlooking the fact that Mutu was addicted to coke. However, that does not mean he will continue to use coke. That also does not mean Mutu is now a worthless player. In business you have to take chances, as that is what makes or breaks an organization. If you do not take risks, you will not become successful. Mutu was a world class player, and now he would come for free. All of a sudden the "risk factor" for this opportunity has just decreased. The benifits of Mutu at Juve outweigh the risks....substantially. What if Mutu still has trouble with drugs? Simple, cancel his contract. There is no reason in my eyes NOT to bring Mutu to Turin.
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DOESN'T ANYBODY REMEMBER MARK BOSNICH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?:fero::fero::fero:
 
desireless

desireless

Junior Member
#153
Sep 16, 2003
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I am quite disagreed with the choice of having Mutu playing for Juve. If he is signed and then being used in transfer window to get another player... maybe Cassano then I am all agree with it.

The reason for my disagreement is that body may learn to reject and repel the addiction, but the mind won't be so easy to train. I have seen a lot of people managed to become totally clean after taking Coke, but sadly I have seen more people falling back to the habit.

The pressure to directly jump to a big club, playing, and lets not forget fans and people will be watching him day after day, and judging his performance, will be a horrific stress I believe. This will be a like time bomb waiting to explode. And let just say that if he falls to coke again, we will just brake his contract.... I will hate Juve then, coz I will feel we are not that much different with Chelsea (it's all about business).

I am all about giving second chance, especially for a world class player like him. But looking at the pressure and situation I don't even dare to think of putting him directly on the pressure. Besides I don't wanna see one of brilliant talents wasted with Coke again.
 
Dan

Dan

Back & Quack
#154
Mar 9, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Ian ] ++


You're out of your head. Every clinical study ever done has proven that cannabis is not physically addictive and is less psychologically addictive than cocaine. To say that cannabis is more addictive than cocaine is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard. Cocaine is a highly addictive drug both physically and psychologically. Furthermore, cocaine causes serious health problems for the user, while cannabis does not.

It's misinformed people like yourself who continue to propagate lies and conspiracy about cannabis. Seriously, that's just blatant and willing ignorance.

Here's an excerpt from narcotic anonymous:



And now let me quote the LaGuardia report, commonly acknowledged as the authoritative clinical study on the psychosocial and physical effects of cannabis:



Don't spread lies, accept the truth.
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Ignorance is a terrible thing, and its ignorant people who give cannabis a bad name when they themselves dont even know the facts and make judgements based on the little things that they have heard or on other peoples opinions.
 
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