Muslim asks Irish court to let in second wife (8 Viewers)

The Curr

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A muslim is taking a landmark High Court case demanding that the Irish state recognise his polygamous marriage.

The man is from Lebanon, where polygamy is permitted. He is married to two women and has been granted Irish citizenship.

Seven years ago the Department of Justice refused to grant the man’s first wife a visa. The Lebanese entered Ireland with his second wife and claimed asylum. His first wife did not arrive until much later. The man has children with both women.

After its decision was challenged, the justice department agreed to quash its refusal to issue a visa to the first wife. But as part of this settlement the man is required to ask the High Court to rule on the validity of his marriage under section 29 of the 1995 Family Law Act.

The state and the wives are all represented in the case. The residency rights of both spouses will depend on the decision. A number of similar cases are awaiting the outcome.

Legal experts say section 29 applications are usually brought to determine if foreign divorces are valid in Ireland. Britain has agreed to recognise marriages in countries which allow polygamy, as long as a man has married just once.

Liam Egan, a member of the Muslim Public Affairs Congress, accused Ireland of discriminating against Muslims in polygamous families. “It is draconian to treat this family differently,” said Egan.

“Ireland discriminates against Muslims seeking citizenship by asking them to sign an affidavit. The state should not be interfering in families like this. It is silent on adulterous affairs but the moment you try and do something honourable by bringing a woman into a marriage, even a polygamous marriage, there is an issue.”

In 2004 the justice department introduced a requirement that Muslims seeking naturalisation sign a form confirming they had only one wife and would not marry a second one.

The department said: “The Irish Supreme Court in 1989 determined that polygamous marriages and potentially polygamous marriages are not valid and not entitled to recognition in Irish law.

“There is a case involving an individual before the courts dealing with this particular issue and, as such, the department is not in a position to comment any further at this time.”

According to Egan, the Koran says that Muslims can marry up to four women but only if they can provide financial support and “love each of them equally”. He said there are polygamous marriages in Ireland “but it is rare enough because of the recession”.

The Immigrant Council of Ireland said the case highlighted the need for the government to address gaps in immigration legislation dealing with family reunification. It wants rules about who qualifies to live in Ireland as the family member of an Irish citizen or migrant.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article7018015.ece


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Nicholas

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They will be accused of being a racist country if they don't let her in, so in the end they will end up doing. Seriously The UK and Ireland are becoming a joke. The UK needs purging of muslims especially.
 

Ford Prefect

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I couldn't give you a warning only. There was no need for the last part. Eddy, if you respond in the same manner you're getting one as well.
DUDE WTF, I WASNT INSULTING HIM. The only reference to his post was the :sergio: the rest of the post was about the islamic dude, if you read what i said it makes no logical sense that i would be talking to eddy.
 

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DUDE WTF, I WASNT INSULTING HIM. The only reference to his post was the :sergio: the rest of the post was about the islamic dude, if you read what i said it makes no logical sense that i would be talking to eddy.
It does make sense. It wouldn't make sense it there wasn't fucking idiot part.
 

Ford Prefect

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I wasnt calling eddy a fucking idiot, i was talking about the dude in ireland. I learnt a while back not to call people names, mik emailed me saying that i told more people to jump of cliffs i would get banned.
 

Luca

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I'm with Jasper here, If something is illegal its not discrimination, simple as. Law is Law, not racism
 
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    Dusan, the "fucking idiot" was clearly directed at the Muslim guy in Ireland, not anyone on this site.
     

    Dostoevsky

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    I wasnt calling eddy a fucking idiot, i was talking about the dude in ireland. I learnt a while back not to call people names, mik emailed me saying that i told more people to jump of cliffs i would get banned.
    Just tell me, did it look like that if you sit in my chair? Hell, even if I like you I saw it aimed to Eddy and I'm not a mind reader mate.

    Sorry but I'm not reversing this one. You can ask admins so they are free to give it a call so I don't come out weird in the end.

    For me it had no connection to that article.
     

    Ford Prefect

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    Just tell me, did it look like that if you sit in my chair? Hell, even if I like you I saw it aimed to Eddy and I'm not a mind reader mate.

    Sorry but I'm not reversing this one. You can ask admins so they are free to give it a call so I don't come out weird in the end.

    For me it had no connection to that article.
    I understand why you did it, i have read the post and can see how it reads both ways, im not having a go at you i was assuming that you would reverse it. If you cant or you wont then you're the mod and thats how it goes.

    End of.
     

    pitbull

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    Just tell me, did it look like that if you sit in my chair? Hell, even if I like you I saw it aimed to Eddy and I'm not a mind reader mate.

    Sorry but I'm not reversing this one. You can ask admins so they are free to give it a call so I don't come out weird in the end.

    For me it had no connection to that article.
    it's really a weird warning, cause I think the post is pretty obvious with the dashes. but it's not like he will loose an arm because of it, so no need to loose so many time over it either.
     

    Dostoevsky

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    I understand why you did it, i have read the post and can see how it reads both ways, im not having a go at you i was assuming that you would reverse it. If you cant or you wont then you're the mod and thats how it goes.

    End of.
    Let's threat it as a misunderstanding. You even end up editing it. It looked too weird.

    Reversed, continue with the religion talk. :malt:
     

    Ford Prefect

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    Let's threat it as a misunderstanding. You even end up editing it. It looked too weird.

    Reversed, continue with the religion talk. :malt:
    thanks bro, +rep :beer:

    I was not having a go at you, you are a mod and you believed i was attacking a poster and you had to give me an infraction for that, which it is your job to do. Forget about it :tup:
     
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    I wasnt calling eddy a fucking idiot, i was talking about the dude in ireland. I learnt a while back not to call people names, mik emailed me saying that i told more people to jump of cliffs i would get banned.
    :lol2:
    I'm with Jasper here, If something is illegal its not discrimination, simple as. Law is Law, not racism
    Agreed.
    Just tell me, did it look like that if you sit in my chair? Hell, even if I like you I saw it aimed to Eddy and I'm not a mind reader mate.

    Sorry but I'm not reversing this one. You can ask admins so they are free to give it a call so I don't come out weird in the end.

    For me it had no connection to that article.
    OHHH NO, HE'S BECOMING A MOD!
     

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