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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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dude makes up stories in his senile head, presents them as facts. i bet zero countries kissed his ass and said SIR let's make a deal

3 deals in 3 months. they announced a deal with uk, a framework agreement with china and a reciprocal agreement with vietnam, right? and this asshole pretends that 200 countries are kissing his fat ass. what a delusional retard.

 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Houston is a perfect example of this: all the new land floods much more frequently. Reconciling this with insurance risks and climate changes means duping a lot of poor and clueless people to move into flood plains and then blame the NWS when they drown.

This is also why Utah Senator Mike Lee is so clueless about public land sale proposals. The dude's logic was to sell publicly owned lands in the forests to developers so they could build new homes in areas infested with wildlife, at the greatest risk of burning down due to fire danger, and with none of the infrastructure for water supplies, emergency services, and forest management to maintain a buffer from certain and far more frequent risks of burning to death.
I don't really know how it works in the US, but in some European countries when you buy property there has to be a document attached saying if it is in a zone that might flood. This doesn't mean you can't buy the property, but at the very least you're informed of the risks. Is that not the case in Texas?

As for flash floods in particular, they're sort of infamously hard to predict in a lot of cases. They tend to happen under a really precise set of unfortunate circumstances, which usually only become obvious at the very last minute. This was true for example with the 2021 floods in several parts of Europe. I'm sure @Bjerknes is much more informed on the matter, but it seems that it's just really difficult to get warnings across at the right time considering you do not want to be overzealous to the point of not being taken seriously anymore.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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I don't really know how it works in the US, but in some European countries when you buy property there has to be a document attached saying if it is in a zone that might flood. This doesn't mean you can't buy the property, but at the very least you're informed of the risks. Is that not the case in Texas?

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Oh, they will have to list it for insurers. But it’s buyer beware.

https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/harvey-maps

For followers of Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson, this is what “abundance” looks like.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I don't really know how it works in the US, but in some European countries when you buy property there has to be a document attached saying if it is in a zone that might flood. This doesn't mean you can't buy the property, but at the very least you're informed of the risks. Is that not the case in Texas?

As for flash floods in particular, they're sort of infamously hard to predict in a lot of cases. They tend to happen under a really precise set of unfortunate circumstances, which usually only become obvious at the very last minute. This was true for example with the 2021 floods in several parts of Europe. I'm sure @Bjerknes is much more informed on the matter, but it seems that it's just really difficult to get warnings across at the right time considering you do not want to be overzealous to the point of not being taken seriously anymore.
There is definitely a problem when it comes to the general public taking warnings seriously. Flash Flood warnings are rather common compared to other types of weather events, but they don't get the attention they probably deserve, unlike tornados. And to be honest, much of the public has a disdain for meteorologists because of the perception they aren't accurate, which isn't really true, or because they've been brainwashed to think the NWS is just wasteful spending. So as much as I want to care about people, I can't bring myself to do so when there is so much willful ignorance out there.

In the case of the Texas floods, the NWS issued flash flood warnings and flash flood emergencies before the storms hit. The main issue is that the storms happened between 1 and 4am when everyone was asleep. Apparently, Camp Mystic has a "no phones" policy as they are a Christian summer camp, so presumably nobody received the flash flood emergency push notifications which did get pushed. From a mesoscale perspective, this was basically a perfect situation where the remnants of a tropical cyclone drove enough moisture into a stalled out front over Texas, which allowed the storms to train over the same area, squeezing out incredible amounts of moisture, 10+ inches in a few hours.

There's no doubt in my mind that these sort of events are becoming more common, probably for a few reasons.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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I don't really know how it works in the US, but in some European countries when you buy property there has to be a document attached saying if it is in a zone that might flood. This doesn't mean you can't buy the property, but at the very least you're informed of the risks. Is that not the case in Texas?

That info is made widely available to home buyers. However, real estate is a contact sport, so sellerrs will market the highlights of the property and surrounding area. Outside of the homes stats, people look at the crime rate, school district ratings, socio economic distribution, estimated taxes, surrounding properties, etc. also buyers are definitely made aware of the risks by insurance companies bc they’re in the business of limiting potential liability with higher premiums in higher flood risk zones.

Moral of the story is that it’s simply buyer beware in a country where housing demand outweighs supply.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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I don't really know how it works in the US, but in some European countries when you buy property there has to be a document attached saying if it is in a zone that might flood. This doesn't mean you can't buy the property, but at the very least you're informed of the risks. Is that not the case in Texas?

As for flash floods in particular, they're sort of infamously hard to predict in a lot of cases. They tend to happen under a really precise set of unfortunate circumstances, which usually only become obvious at the very last minute. This was true for example with the 2021 floods in several parts of Europe. I'm sure @Bjerknes is much more informed on the matter, but it seems that it's just really difficult to get warnings across at the right time considering you do not want to be overzealous to the point of not being taken seriously anymore.
That info is made widely available to home buyers. However, real estate is a contact sport, so sellerrs will market the highlights of the property and surrounding area. Outside of the homes stats, people look at the crime rate, school district ratings, socio economic distribution, estimated taxes, surrounding properties, etc. also buyers are definitely made aware of the risks by insurance companies bc they’re in the business of limiting potential liability with higher premiums in higher flood risk zones.

Moral of the story is that it’s simply buyer beware in a country where housing demand outweighs supply.
Making the matters worse are 500-year and 100-year flood terminologies which imply a flood like this can happen only once in 500 or 100 years, but in reality with climate change catastrophic floods happen more frequently. I noticed Trump used the 100-year term the other day.
Making it even worse is cheap taxpayer-funded flood insurance which incentivizes building in high risk areas.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
34,669
why does neither of trump and hegseth know about this? trump is still finding fox news enough and is skipping weekly briefings, isn't he? and hegseth, as the head of defense, how can allow himself this? ffs they scream incompetence

 

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