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Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
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I can't even begin to describe how fantastic those burgers are. It's really an art. And they have me addicted like they put crack in it.

I've tried many times to replicate it myself, fresh bun and all, but it just doesn't live up to that. Best burger in the world.
Man every time I’m in Paris I can’t resist coming back to this restaurant. The attention to detail, the service, the quality, and the way they cook the meat to absolute perfection are just on another level. And their cheesecake is straight fire.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Man every time I’m in Paris I can’t resist coming back to this restaurant. The attention to detail, the service, the quality, and the way they cook the meat to absolute perfection are just on another level. And their cheesecake is straight fire.
I haven't had the cheesecake yet. Usually I eat 1.5 burgers, lol. Will have to try that this summer.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I can attest -- unless you hang out in tourist hotspots at places owned by grifter non-Portuguese cashing in on clueless tourists -- Portugal consistently delivers good food under €15.
Yeah, it's pretty much this for me.

I don't mean this as an attack on American cuisine. I know there's more to it than Wendy's.

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I think what he's trying to say is that regardless of where you go in Italy, most of the food is consistent and damn good. Chefs typically have the same style and technique, so he's right about a dish like cacio and pepe. It's going to be amazing at most places, unless you're in a shitty tourist trap in Rome, for instance. But in the US, you can have highly rated restaurants that are actually dogshit and can't hold a candle to some random place in Italy. I'm lucky to have a really good French restaurant nearby, with a quality chef who studied in France, but most other towns wouldn't be so lucky.
I think he's flat out wrong, when he tallks about the lack of variety. It's not just pizza and pasta, there is so much more to Italian food.

But I will admit that Italians are pretty damn strict. It's like: this is the way to make a carbonara. You will not make carbonara in any other way. If you make carbonara your own way, we will find you and we will hurt you. Then we will make a correct carbonara.
 

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Yeah, it's pretty much this for me.

I don't mean this as an attack on American cuisine. I know there's more to it than Wendy's.

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I think he's flat out wrong, when he tallks about the lack of variety. It's not just pizza and pasta, there is so much more to Italian food.

But I will admit that Italians are pretty damn strict. It's like: this is the way to make a carbonara. You will not make carbonara in any other way. If you make carbonara your own way, we will find you and we will hurt you. Then we will make a correct carbonara.
American cuisine has its place. You just need to know where to look and prepare to spend a little more.

Problem is that most of it is subsidized and scientifically engineered as a salt/sweet/fat delivery vehicle to turn customers into addicted junkies and explode their pants size. The general rule being that if they have to advertise, or have a large advertising budget, your lower intestines are being bunker bombed by B-2s with pilots wearing paper hats.

Italian has amazing variety though. The irony in the U.S. is that there isn't anything that's technically "Italian food". (Side fact: the same is true for "Indian food".) Most of it is regional specialties, except for the weaker Italian attempts at making stomaco grosso americano at a national chain.

And the Italians are strict. Really strict. Italians are to food like the French are to the French language: they want to preserve tradition like a museum and keep everything under glass and away from meddling fingers.

Sure, you might find elements of it in places like Valencia, who would vomit in your face if you asked for seafood in your paella. But Italians are often completely befuddled if you want something in a dish that makes no historical sense (or doesn't align with the Gospel According To The Italian Digestive System(tm)). They have also been known to have invented what's been called "gastronomic racism":
https://americablog.com/2009/02/italian-foreign-food-ban-grows.html

There's a great restaurant near my home called Bar Alimentar. It's a Portuguese chef who does some creative things with Italian food made with Portuguese ingredients. He deliberately does not call it an "Italian restaurant", because he knows all the Italians in Lisbon would protest in outrage. So he calls it "Italian-inspired". And a cannoli made with bacalhau may seem sick and wrong, but it honestly really works.
 

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I think what he's trying to say is that regardless of where you go in Italy, most of the food is consistent and damn good. Chefs typically have the same style and technique, so he's right about a dish like cacio and pepe. It's going to be amazing at most places, unless you're in a shitty tourist trap in Rome, for instance. But in the US, you can have highly rated restaurants that are actually dogshit and can't hold a candle to some random place in Italy. I'm lucky to have a really good French restaurant nearby, with a quality chef who studied in France, but most other towns wouldn't be so lucky.

I don't think Americans have a good understanding of what good food actually is. Most of my friends do not. Which is sad, because they have been to Europe. But if you prefer some silly Murican seafood boil with shrimp and corn on the cob over an excellent bouillabaisse because "it's too watery", I think you should just stay in the bbq line next to the local Walmart.



Yessir. I'm huge burger fan and has become a major craving food for me, especially with a good Pinot Noir. I usually make a blue cheese sauce as well.



I know you've mentioned this before. But don't knock a good burger. If you're ever in Paris, hit up Il était un burger in the 5th. It might just change your mind.

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Btw, thanks for this. I am definitely marking this to check out. :)
 

Oggy

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Any thoughts on the big beautiful bill from the republicans here?
Did it go through?

If it did, it’s an absolute disaster. I don’t even know why it bothers me so much, but I’m feeling more and more disappointed in people lately. Honestly, I’m starting to think there’s no hope for humanity.

It feels like we’re living in the medieval ages, just with better technology.

I love my family and my dogs, but to be honest, I find myself leaning more towards animals these days, at least they’re sincere.
 
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Did it go through?

If it did, it’s an absolute disaster. I don’t even know why it bothers me so much, but I’m feeling more and more disappointed in people lately. Honestly, I’m starting to think there’s no hope for humanity.

It feels like we’re living in the medieval ages, just with better technology.

I love my family and my dogs, but to be honest, I find myself leaning more towards animals these days, at least they’re sincere.

Let me know if you want a sharper, calmer, or more poetic variation for your post, reflection notes, or upcoming writing.
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