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abstract

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2012
4,928
If you still believe that Russia started this conflict in 2022, then you are either corrupt, ignorant, or brainwashed.

If you don’t know who Victoria Nuland is, or what she was doing in Ukraine in 2014, then you have no idea what’s going on.

The Deep State started this war. It was the Obama CIA/State Dept that funded Nazi militant groups to start a civil war in Ukraine, and initiated regime change to a CIA/State Dept puppet, Yatseniuk.

This was all revealed in the leaked phone call between State Dept diplomats and Deep State agents, Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt.

After the Maidan coup in February 2014, the US CIA/State Dept owned Ukraine via proxy, and the CIA began using Ukraine as a giant offshore playground for criminal racketeering and money laundering. Ukraine became one giant CIA base, directly on Russia’s border.

Then the US/NATO began building up Ukraine’s army for the sole purpose of one day fighting Russia. The US/NATO began supplying Ukraine with weapons, equipment, missiles, training, intelligence, etc.

Covert elements within the US government, along with their European partners in NATO, used espionage to overthrow and take control of the nation of Ukraine, then built a massive standing army on Russia’s border, then tried to bring Ukraine into NATO, and thus start WW3.

If you are still buying the official MSM narrative about this conflict, you should not be engaged in conversations.


Everything the MSM told you about Ukraine/Russia has been a lie, and in many cases, the inverse of the truth.

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So, you're telling me US started this war and now they want hang Ukraine out to dry?
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,749
It’s weird how all of a sudden inflation exist under President Trump. It didn’t exist apparently under Sleepy Joe. Bidenomics was perfect, pumping billons into Ukraine didn’t add debt at all. Don’t know if any other country contributed financially as much as we have. Everyone just sucks off the tit of America.

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Yes, because Biden invented a post-Covid inflation that existed nowhere else. :numnum:

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Dow down?

Time to buy low America!
Buy low when you force the austerity prices low by cratering the economy. (Hey, one term president of a dying egomaniac, right?)

You do realize that's part of a typical oligarch plot, the likes we saw in 1990 post-Berlin-wall-fall Russia. Impoverish the masses as slaves while the oligarchs take over as much public and private infrastructure as possible at a steep discount.

Good signs that's what's underway in the U.S. right now. Crush the market valuations, impoverish enterprises, buy the pieces on the cheap, and amass your bigger monopolies. Russia did this with aplomb in coal, mining, gas, etc.

Look at how Russian oligarchs earned their oligarchy? It's a roadmap here.

So, DOGE and Musk are going to cancel NOAA's lease at NCEP, which is basically the home to all our weather forecasting supercomputers and climate data.

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/03/doge-noaa-weather-building-leases-trump

These guys want us to be completely uninformed on weather data, analysis, and climatology. It's like they want us to suffer in the dark. I was sort of joking before when I said I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up shuttering all our Doppler radar systems, so basically we couldn't see anything coming. Well forks, that's probably next! :lol:

FUCK YOU.
I'm sure it will help lower the high cost of home insurance in Florida.

Raging Karens lol, deal with it.

Only been over a month lol hope your personal agony continues, do us all a favor please. :wallbang: Continue and repeat.
We're just waiting out until the leopard comes for your face before you realize what's happening.

You bought the big and beautiful Brexit-inspired utopia myth. Now comes the reality.

It’s just Ukraine going NATO is Russia’s worry. Cause if it is then they’re land locked. The sky isn’t falling people. Would like to see other nations help Ukraine as much as we have already, if there really care that much.
Europe and the US have had too long a codependent relationship that has grown problematic. Yes, Europe got addicted to the US's military Ozempic, But the US conveniently liked it that way because Europe enabled them to play big dog in world affairs.

We are headed in a multi-polar world, and it will be interesting to see how this resort shakes out. Right now the only unifying theme I can come up with is the US is making enemies of everyone right now save maybe Russia, who surely can be trusted.

The US treasury bill market now faces a dangerous de-dollarization run like no time in my lifetime.

TechDirt doesn't get enough credit. Forget its tech focus -- it's one of the only journalistic fourth estate representatives still functioning as it should in the U.S.
 
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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,523
Yes, because Biden invented a post-Covid inflation that existed nowhere else. :numnum:

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exactly. post-covid inflation was a worldwide phenomenon

now inflation is pretty low compared to that era. for example, hungarian inflation is at 5,5-6% depending on who you're asking, and it's the highest of the eu

the inflation and the completely unnecessary recession that will hit the us has nothing to do with the world economy. it will be the consequence of one thing and one thing only: trump's economic policy
 
Jun 16, 2020
12,435
If you still believe that Russia started this conflict in 2022, then you are either corrupt, ignorant, or brainwashed.

If you don’t know who Victoria Nuland is, or what she was doing in Ukraine in 2014, then you have no idea what’s going on.

The Deep State started this war. It was the Obama CIA/State Dept that funded Nazi militant groups to start a civil war in Ukraine, and initiated regime change to a CIA/State Dept puppet, Yatseniuk.

This was all revealed in the leaked phone call between State Dept diplomats and Deep State agents, Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt.

After the Maidan coup in February 2014, the US CIA/State Dept owned Ukraine via proxy, and the CIA began using Ukraine as a giant offshore playground for criminal racketeering and money laundering. Ukraine became one giant CIA base, directly on Russia’s border.

Then the US/NATO began building up Ukraine’s army for the sole purpose of one day fighting Russia. The US/NATO began supplying Ukraine with weapons, equipment, missiles, training, intelligence, etc.

Covert elements within the US government, along with their European partners in NATO, used espionage to overthrow and take control of the nation of Ukraine, then built a massive standing army on Russia’s border, then tried to bring Ukraine into NATO, and thus start WW3.

If you are still buying the official MSM narrative about this conflict, you should not be engaged in conversations.


Everything the MSM told you about Ukraine/Russia has been a lie, and in many cases, the inverse of the truth.

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Honestly I believe that if we had the full story of everything what Western politicians did and tried in ‘14, that we could without any doubt find things we don’t like in retroperspective, but what you lack here is a reflection on the Russian interference aswel.

I think if we look back to the Euromaidan that we predominantly have two narratives that fuel discussions and a third one that gets ignored way to often. The first two are obvious, the Western (we want Ukraine in EU/NATO) and the second is the Russian perspective (the exact opposite of the Western one, obviously).

The third is where you fail, it’s the Ukrainian perspective, and that’s the most important one. It’s not about what Russia wants, neither about what the West wants, it’s about the integrity of Ukrainian people and what they want. If they wanted to become more ‘European’ than they had the right to do so, and it doesn’t justify the Russian reaction in ‘14

It’s also interesting to take a step back and ask yourself why would they want that, look to historical context as the Holodomor for example, or translate it to prosperity ex-Sovjet countries have who joined the EU eventually.

I’m open to be very critical on Western handling of the situation but again what matters the most is the integrity of Ukrainian voters.
 

radekas

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Aug 26, 2009
20,111
If you still believe that Russia started this conflict in 2022, then you are either corrupt, ignorant, or brainwashed.

If you don’t know who Victoria Nuland is, or what she was doing in Ukraine in 2014, then you have no idea what’s going on.

The Deep State started this war. It was the Obama CIA/State Dept that funded Nazi militant groups to start a civil war in Ukraine, and initiated regime change to a CIA/State Dept puppet, Yatseniuk.

This was all revealed in the leaked phone call between State Dept diplomats and Deep State agents, Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt.

After the Maidan coup in February 2014, the US CIA/State Dept owned Ukraine via proxy, and the CIA began using Ukraine as a giant offshore playground for criminal racketeering and money laundering. Ukraine became one giant CIA base, directly on Russia’s border.

Then the US/NATO began building up Ukraine’s army for the sole purpose of one day fighting Russia. The US/NATO began supplying Ukraine with weapons, equipment, missiles, training, intelligence, etc.

Covert elements within the US government, along with their European partners in NATO, used espionage to overthrow and take control of the nation of Ukraine, then built a massive standing army on Russia’s border, then tried to bring Ukraine into NATO, and thus start WW3.

If you are still buying the official MSM narrative about this conflict, you should not be engaged in conversations.


Everything the MSM told you about Ukraine/Russia has been a lie, and in many cases, the inverse of the truth.

1741075836876.png
I'm certain that if the Internet was a thing in 1939 you would be writing the same thing about Germany invading Poland.

The world never changes.

It's sad but we are doomed to kill ourselves sooner or later. Even WW2 was not enough to make people see that evil bastards need to lose or they will never stop.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
I'm certain that if the Internet was a thing in 1939 you would be writing the same thing about Germany invading Poland.

The world never changes.

It's sad but we are doomed to kill ourselves sooner or later. Even WW2 was not enough to make people see that evil bastards need to lose or they will never stop.
As people in Ukraine now know:

Mourir pour Dantzig?

- - - Updated - - -

You do realize that's part of a typical oligarch plot, the likes we saw in 1990 post-Berlin-wall-fall Russia. Impoverish the masses as slaves while the oligarchs take over as much public and private infrastructure as possible at a steep discount.
Frankly, they haven't hid their intentions either.

They've pretty much come out and said as much during the campaign. And now you have people like @Hust who literally say they'd rather have their money to go Musk than benefit American citizens.
 
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icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,316
I'm certain that if the Internet was a thing in 1939 you would be writing the same thing about Germany invading Poland.

The world never changes.

It's sad but we are doomed to kill ourselves sooner or later. Even WW2 was not enough to make people see that evil bastards need to lose or they will never stop.
The longest era of peace was bound to end I suppose. It’s just ironic the biggest player for the world order we live in will be the cause for the downfall as well.
 

kronos

Senior Member
Aug 16, 2011
1,840
I'm certain that if the Internet was a thing in 1939 you would be writing the same thing about Germany invading Poland.

The world never changes.

It's sad but we are doomed to kill ourselves sooner or later. Even WW2 was not enough to make people see that evil bastards need to lose or they will never stop.
It was enough for a time, but people forget
 

Al Birdie

Junior Member
May 19, 2016
458
If you still believe that Russia started this conflict in 2022, then you are either corrupt, ignorant, or brainwashed.

If you don’t know who Victoria Nuland is, or what she was doing in Ukraine in 2014, then you have no idea what’s going on.

The Deep State started this war. It was the Obama CIA/State Dept that funded Nazi militant groups to start a civil war in Ukraine, and initiated regime change to a CIA/State Dept puppet, Yatseniuk.

This was all revealed in the leaked phone call between State Dept diplomats and Deep State agents, Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt.

After the Maidan coup in February 2014, the US CIA/State Dept owned Ukraine via proxy, and the CIA began using Ukraine as a giant offshore playground for criminal racketeering and money laundering. Ukraine became one giant CIA base, directly on Russia’s border.

Then the US/NATO began building up Ukraine’s army for the sole purpose of one day fighting Russia. The US/NATO began supplying Ukraine with weapons, equipment, missiles, training, intelligence, etc.

Covert elements within the US government, along with their European partners in NATO, used espionage to overthrow and take control of the nation of Ukraine, then built a massive standing army on Russia’s border, then tried to bring Ukraine into NATO, and thus start WW3.

If you are still buying the official MSM narrative about this conflict, you should not be engaged in conversations.


Everything the MSM told you about Ukraine/Russia has been a lie, and in many cases, the inverse of the truth.

1741075836876.png
I though i asked it once, but i must repeat my question. Is there ANY bullshit that you DONT buy into?
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,523
yeah, jd has every right to educate the whole eu on free speech

as far as i know, free speech and free assembly are constitutionally protected activities there. this is once again the kremlin playbook: if you call the war a war, you'll be imprisoned. jokes aside, murica is very quickly becoming a 3rd world shithole at this rate
 

BIG DADDY!!!

Senior Member
Mar 12, 2004
5,289
If you still believe that Russia started this conflict in 2022, then you are either corrupt, ignorant, or brainwashed.

If you don’t know who Victoria Nuland is, or what she was doing in Ukraine in 2014, then you have no idea what’s going on.

The Deep State started this war. It was the Obama CIA/State Dept that funded Nazi militant groups to start a civil war in Ukraine, and initiated regime change to a CIA/State Dept puppet, Yatseniuk.

This was all revealed in the leaked phone call between State Dept diplomats and Deep State agents, Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt.

After the Maidan coup in February 2014, the US CIA/State Dept owned Ukraine via proxy, and the CIA began using Ukraine as a giant offshore playground for criminal racketeering and money laundering. Ukraine became one giant CIA base, directly on Russia’s border.

Then the US/NATO began building up Ukraine’s army for the sole purpose of one day fighting Russia. The US/NATO began supplying Ukraine with weapons, equipment, missiles, training, intelligence, etc.

Covert elements within the US government, along with their European partners in NATO, used espionage to overthrow and take control of the nation of Ukraine, then built a massive standing army on Russia’s border, then tried to bring Ukraine into NATO, and thus start WW3.

If you are still buying the official MSM narrative about this conflict, you should not be engaged in conversations.


Everything the MSM told you about Ukraine/Russia has been a lie, and in many cases, the inverse of the truth.

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I've seen a lot of political analysts and commentators making the same points you just posted but the MSM seem to push the Russia attacked unprovoked line.


https://x.com/LFJIreland/status/1896510211961037159?t=IDek5Kv8ZfX64SSsCVj3pg&s=19

https://x.com/JamesMelville/status/1896705207134040336?t=dWPR1Ra4yOKs8mxbItm30w&s=19

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1895288690425176483?t=vuD_jPzH82bS_cWT7iJ9ig&s=19
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,907
Just called in my residential propane order. The current price is $4.20 a gallon. Before Trump was in office, I only paid $3.59.

Thanks a lot you Nazi fascist retarded pieces of a human garbage. Fuck you forever and go die in a fucking fire.
 

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