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House negroes are arguably why Americans have a legacy of a tipping culture, so they should be celebrated.

Ugh. I hate to be so superficial about this. But while RFK Jr supporters fawned with deep respect over his concession speech, I witnessed a man with good points lost among a very unfortunate speech impediment who looked like a carved shrunken applehead that was left in the oven too long and imploded.

If Trump is orange, RFK Jr is burnt sienna. WTF is up with that?
It's like Trump 2024: brought to you by Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte(tm)

Yes, politics do run systemic mills of whether you’re in or out and it can seem like the mafia. But that’s true in corporate power, local government, non-profits, international diplomacy. He cannot be that naive and stupid to think he just discovered how humans make social decisions as collectives.

Hard to say whether I am more embarrassed for the shambles Joe Biden was for his speech in June or just what I witnessed from Bobby yesterday.

And your point, Osman, is spot on. People get this idea that an identity group has to be a monolithic voting block. There’s very little Ye has in common with a kid whose brothers were murdered by gangs in Chicago’s Calumet Heights. Same for Asian Americans, Latinos, gays, etc.

Trouble is identity plays into the hands of other narratives, and you can see the pull between the house and the field and it can force people to extremes. People can get consumed by their own perceived identity. And if there is an audience capture that feeds that, you wind up like a lost Candace Owens who is now spouting antisemitic nonsense.

 

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JK Rowling is another great case of audience capture. What started as personal belief has been jacked up into militant self-parody because she fed off of what her audience responses wanted her to become and gladly followed them there.

 

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Btw, one of the best things to come out of RFK Jr’s concession speech:

 

[acmilan]

It 100% is. Clearly republicans especially maga alt right ones are more outright bigoted to minorities. But one of the most lowkey racist things I heard in American politics is long way back (2019, plus longer back too) when Biden made statements in past in different occasions that said things like:


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After a campaign aide said Biden had to wrap up the conversation, Charlamagne said: 'Listen, you’ve got to come see us when you come to New York, VP Biden. It’s a long way until November. We’ve got more questions.'

'You’ve got more questions?' Biden replied. 'Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black."

The underlining reasons for the point is one thing. There are litteral sellouts who grift and have no care for who they support effects on their communities, only how it benefits them personally. That's where the term ac Milan used comes from. But it shouldn't be weaponised in politics.


Its like you want to outright dismiss entire group of minority like you entitled to their vote because of their skin colour, you don't need to explain yourself or answer their questions anymore. Super racist mindset.


Also anyone can be conservative (not that Trump is a conservative... mean og conservative or moderat republicans), and any minority can be stupid enough to swayed by autocratic demagogue con man. That is not a white privilege thing only

What you are describing is not the "house negro" mentality, at best it's just a layer of it. What Malcolm X was referring to was some slaves' tendency to identify with the white slave owner in a futile attempt to feel less of a slave themselves. These "house negroes" even despised and showed cruelty towards the "field negroes". It's an example of identity white-washing.

For example, a black man today voting republican for say a Mitt Romney or an Adam Kinzinger - more traditional republican politicians - would not be considered a case of "house negro" mentality. Why? Because neither of those two has a history of racist behavior or any type of racist history vs minorities. Donald Trump does, however, and a pretty lengthy one at that - there accounts by his staffers how they would put those of the house help who were black to do work somewhere in the back of the house/mansion so that Trump doesn't have to see them or run into them.
A black person supporting someone with a history of racism, now that is an example of "house negro" mentality - basically, identifying with your oppressor, someone who thinks of you as a less of a human, not just some random person of a different race. The former is a reflection of spinelessness, a betrayal of your own race and identity. The latter isn't.

P.S. There was an article a few years back on the "Latinos for Trump" phenomenon, which was seen as one of the main reasons for Trump winning in 2016. Some pretty curious parallels could be drawn between the two.

 

[Fr3sh]

What you are describing is not the "house negro" mentality, at best it's just a layer of it. What Malcolm X was referring to was some slaves' tendency to identify with the white slave owner in a futile attempt to feel less of a slave themselves. These "house negroes" even despised and showed cruelty towards the "field negroes". It's an example of identity white-washing.

For example, a black man today voting republican for say a Mitt Romney or an Adam Kinzinger - more traditional republican politicians - would not be considered a case of "house negro" mentality. Why? Because neither of those two has a history of racist behavior or any type of racist history vs minorities. Donald Trump does, however, and a pretty lengthy one at that - there accounts by his staffers how they would put those of the house help who were black to do work somewhere in the back of the house/mansion so that Trump doesn't have to see them or run into them.
A black person supporting someone with a history of racism, now that is an example of "house negro" mentality - basically, identifying with your oppressor, someone who thinks of you as a less of a human, not just some random person of a different race. The former is a reflection of spinelessness, a betrayal of your own race and identity. The latter isn't.

P.S. There was an article a few years back on the "Latinos for Trump" phenomenon, which was seen as one of the main reasons for Trump winning in 2016. Some pretty curious parallels could be drawn between the two.

Well Malcolm also said this. Nothing highlights this more than how the democrats are dealing with Palestine protesters and refusing to give them a platform while letting some family member of hostage have a platform.

Trump isn’t going to win, it’s that Kamala will lose. There will be hundreds of thousands if not millions of people that will not vote for Kamala that otherwise would have had it not been for their obtuse stance on Palestine. I know Trump is worse, refer to the video above, people know what to expect from him, but Kamala

 

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Well Malcolm also said this. Nothing highlights this more than how the democrats are dealing with Palestine protesters and refusing to give them a platform while letting some family member of hostage have a platform.

Trump isn’t going to win, it’s that Kamala will lose. There will be hundreds of thousands if not millions of people that will not vote for Kamala that otherwise would have had it not been for their obtuse stance on Palestine. I know Trump is worse, refer to the video above, people know what to expect from him, but Kamala

As Donald Trump himself says - "I am the least racist person in the world. No one has done more for the black people other than maybe Abe Lincoln. No one has created more black jobs than I have."

I would say that's the "liberal" M X was warning about there.

 

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As Donald Trump himself says - "I am the least racist person in the world. No one has done more for the black people other than maybe Abe Lincoln. No one has created more black jobs than I have."

I would say that's the "liberal" M X was warning about there.

Go on and tell me what this black icon really meant
Bro a lot of leftist are outright nauseating, I don’t fuck with the right at all either, but you guys are gross.
How about you look up what MLK had to say about integration in his later years prior to getting off’ed.

 

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@Osman

To add to my previous post - similar mentality was widely observed in Nazi concentration camps where certain Jewish prisoner served as an extension of the Nazi prison guards into controlling and even punishing their own people. I would say both are an example of the so called Stockholm syndrome (without being a world renowned authority on it).

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Go on and tell me what this black icon really meant
Bro a lot of leftist are outright nauseating, I don’t fuck with the right at all either, but you guys are gross.
How about you look up what MLK had to say about integration in his later years prior to getting off’ed.

So, you assume that just because you are black you are automatically an authority on Malcolm X?

That's pretty racist ...

 

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@Osman

To add to my previous post - similar mentality was widely observed in Nazi concentration camps where certain Jewish prisoner served as an extension of the Nazi prison guards into controlling and even punishing their own people. I would say both are an example of the so called Stockholm syndrome (without being a world renowned authority on it).

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So, you assume that just because you are black you are automatically an authority on Malcolm X?

That's pretty racist ...

Typical slimy behaviour that is to be expected from your kind. Twist my words and project an explanation for my rational.
I’ve read all of Malcolm’s work, watched all the speeches I possibly could. He’s a hero of mine and a man I respect dearly.
I know how people like you like to take snippets of black icons and use it to push agendas and policies that they would be hellbent on fighting against. You disgust me to my core.

 

[acmilan]

Typical slimy behaviour that is to be expected from your kind. Twist my words and project an explanation for my rational.
I’ve read all of Malcolm’s work, watched all the speeches I possibly could. He’s a hero of mine and a man I respect dearly.
I know how people like you like to take snippets of black icons and use it to push agendas and policies that they would be hellbent on fighting against. You disgust me to my core.

That's pretty slimy behavior to play the race card whenever you are out of cogent arguments.
You and I both can only interpret whet Malcom X meant or didn't mean to say, so you acting as if you know more about that just because of the color of your skin, is pathetic.
I gave you an example of a fawx "liberal", or should I say a "fox liberal" that fits to a "t" what M X was talking about on that clip.
If you have nothing else left to play but your race card, maybe you shouldn't join a discussion to begin with.

 

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It 100% is. Clearly republicans especially maga alt right ones are more outright bigoted to minorities. But one of the most lowkey racist things I heard in American politics is long way back (2019, plus longer back too) when Biden made statements in past in different occasions that said things like:


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After a campaign aide said Biden had to wrap up the conversation, Charlamagne said: 'Listen, you’ve got to come see us when you come to New York, VP Biden. It’s a long way until November. We’ve got more questions.'

'You’ve got more questions?' Biden replied. 'Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black."

The underlining reasons for the point is one thing. There are litteral sellouts who grift and have no care for who they support effects on their communities, only how it benefits them personally. That's where the term ac Milan used comes from. But it shouldn't be weaponised in politics.


Its like you want to outright dismiss entire group of minority like you entitled to their vote because of their skin colour, you don't need to explain yourself or answer their questions anymore. Super racist mindset.


Also anyone can be conservative (not that Trump is a conservative... mean og conservative or moderat republicans), and any minority can be stupid enough to swayed by autocratic demagogue con man. That is not a white privilege thing only

to be fair, the US is country in which racism was a huge part of its history, culture and law. We literally governed race up until 50 years ago. So it’s obvious that that always going to be part of our fiber, and not limited by politics or political party. Something we’re alway gonna have to work on.

 

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It 100% is. Clearly republicans especially maga alt right ones are more outright bigoted to minorities. But one of the most lowkey racist things I heard in American politics is long way back (2019, plus longer back too) when Biden made statements in past in different occasions that said things like:


"
After a campaign aide said Biden had to wrap up the conversation, Charlamagne said: 'Listen, you’ve got to come see us when you come to New York, VP Biden. It’s a long way until November. We’ve got more questions.'

'You’ve got more questions?' Biden replied. 'Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black."

The underlining reasons for the point is one thing. There are litteral sellouts who grift and have no care for who they support effects on their communities, only how it benefits them personally. That's where the term ac Milan used comes from. But it shouldn't be weaponised in politics.


Its like you want to outright dismiss entire group of minority like you entitled to their vote because of their skin colour, you don't need to explain yourself or answer their questions anymore. Super racist mindset.


Also anyone can be conservative (not that Trump is a conservative... mean og conservative or moderat republicans), and any minority can be stupid enough to swayed by autocratic demagogue con man. That is not a white privilege thing only

Gotta remember the age of these politicians too and that'll put a lot of things into perspective.

 

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[Seven]

Then why not just vote Harris?

 

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Yeah, what does that even mean?

 

[Ronn]

Trump attacking someone on policy is gold. I understand that she'snot had an interview yet, but someone with stated policy of raising tariffs should stfu.

 

[Seven]

Trump attacking someone on policy is gold. I understand that she'snot had an interview yet, but someone with stated policy of raising tariffs should stfu.

If I'm honest I find her to be extremely irritating when she speaks. She shouts and whines really and what she says is usually kind of obvious or overly simplistic to the point it's flat out wrong.

I don't want to diminish her achievements, but compared to Barack and Michelle Obama she's a horrible speaker and, frankly, I don't think she's anywhere near them in terms of intelligence.

She's kind of America's choice by default at this point though, given that the other option is Trump who is incredibly brazen about the fact he just wants to change society for his personal gain.

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[ALC]

If I'm honest I find her to be extremely irritating when she speaks. She shouts and whines really and what she says is usually kind of obvious or overly simplistic to the point it's flat out wrong.

I don't want to diminish her achievements, but compared to Barack and Michelle Obama she's a horrible speaker and, frankly, I don't think she's anywhere near them in terms of intelligence.

She's kind of America's choice by default at this point though, given that the other option is Trump who is incredibly brazen about the fact he just wants to change society for his personal gain.

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agreed, she doesn’t score high on the likability meter

 

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@Seven Pppfftt.

She doesn’t know what the hell she is doing, last minute shove in. Yet you guys still see her as the only option? SMH. She’s already been in office 3 1/2 years behind all the inflation and crazy home interesting rates. She’s in the White House right now, and she wants to “fix” things, she can do it right now, she’s already the vice president. You guys have some crazy lenses, you guys are wildin’ lol.