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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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What makes you think that? Even the betting odds are way in favor of Trump.
Because at the end of the day Trump is a narcissistic rapist scumbag, who has time and time again demonstrated he could not be any less concerned about the fate of the average American.

One of his supporters got killed by the man who tried to assassinate him and he still couldn't care enough to contact the family of this man. And this in the midst of a campaign. Trump's contempt for the average American is difficult to put into words.

He's also fucking orange.

They should be able to beat this guy.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Then again, what you describe is America. It's over 30 trillions of debt.
I believe it's actually $44 trillion and counting now.

This hawk tuah nonsense really wore out its welcome. And yet the Hawk Tuah girl would likely beat out Trump with his own base.

Kamala has a much better attack surface than this though. Remember her disastrous 2020 campaign: her own staffers disliked her, and she couldn't build a workable message and campaign. She's gonna need some real adults in the room.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Kamala has a much better attack surface than this though. Remember her disastrous 2020 campaign: her own staffers disliked her, and she couldn't build a workable message and campaign. She's gonna need some real adults in the room.
I think it might be a landslide victory for her.

Is she the best candidate? Probably not. But she's not a geriatric. For anyone under 60 that changes the entire perspective. Trump, aside from all the shit he has done in his life, is 78. He can bitch about energy and strength as long as he wants, deep down everyone knows that at 78, you're old.
 

mjromeo81

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Aug 29, 2022
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I don't follow US politics and I don't support either party, but just from reading the room, there's no way Trump is losing the election at this point.

He is a fucking meme after the assassination attempt. People are desperate with the cost of living crisis, not rational, and want to watch the world burn.

I'm willing to take bets.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I think it might be a landslide victory for her.

Is she the best candidate? Probably not. But she's not a geriatric. For anyone under 60 that changes the entire perspective. Trump, aside from all the shit he has done in his life, is 78. He can bitch about energy and strength as long as he wants, deep down everyone knows that at 78, you're old.
I don't see it. We live in complex, interconnected, unpredictable times. There are a lot of people who live to believe, who desperately need to believe, in the safety blanket that chaos and complexity can simply be swept out of the house and it disappears, making their lives simple again.

More than two genders? My head hurts!

Post-COVID inflation goes up? It's Joe Biden!

Trump missed by a bullet? Cannot be random luck. Must be divine intervention.

Trump serves that very need. That promise that a single strong man can protect you and make the complexity go away in life. Some people deeply need that, and it's also why authoritarianism is always on the political menu.

IMO, one of the Republican party's great failures is their "Fire and Forget" strategy as their only answer to every problem. They're doing it now with the Secret Service. They tried to do it with Mayorkas on the U.S. southern border. And it nicely fit's Trumps "You're fired!" TV game show persona.

Trouble is that complex systems are driven by intertwined relationships among huge numbers, not by single points of failure. Human brains can't handle that the nation doesn't operate like a lawn mower engine where you can just replace bad, serviceable parts. You are not going to fix Twitter's ills by merely replacing Elon Musk. (He technically even did that himself... anybody remember Linda Yaccarino?) Is there any wonder why the GOP has had zero response to American school shootings other than "we need more guns"? That festering wound is now bleeding over to threaten the lives of their own candidates.

These problems require ideas, experimentation, failure, and many, many changes, observations, and corrections. But that's too much work and not simple enough for simpletons and the impatient. So the answer is to cap an ass and the problem goes away. Simple, done. Yay, we got our mini-beheading French revolution.

But it never solves the root problems. Vance talks about tackling the "Deep State" by replacing as many people as possible -- a many fire and forget -- but he seems oblivious to the fact that bureaucracies are self-sustaining and emerge with goals of their own regardless of who you put in the chair. it's the same circus, just different clowns.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
I don't see it. We live in complex, interconnected, unpredictable times. There are a lot of people who live to believe, who desperately need to believe, in the safety blanket that chaos and complexity can simply be swept out of the house and it disappears, making their lives simple again.

More than two genders? My head hurts!

Post-COVID inflation goes up? It's Joe Biden!

Trump missed by a bullet? Cannot be random luck. Must be divine intervention.

Trump serves that very need. That promise that a single strong man can protect you and make the complexity go away in life. Some people deeply need that, and it's also why authoritarianism is always on the political menu.

IMO, one of the Republican party's great failures is their "Fire and Forget" strategy as their only answer to every problem. They're doing it now with the Secret Service. They tried to do it with Mayorkas on the U.S. southern border. And it nicely fit's Trumps "You're fired!" TV game show persona.

Trouble is that complex systems are driven by intertwined relationships among huge numbers, not by single points of failure. Human brains can't handle that the nation doesn't operate like a lawn mower engine where you can just replace bad, serviceable parts. You are not going to fix Twitter's ills by merely replacing Elon Musk. (He technically even did that himself... anybody remember Linda Yaccarino?) Is there any wonder why the GOP has had zero response to American school shootings other than "we need more guns"? That festering wound is now bleeding over to threaten the lives of their own candidates.

These problems require ideas, experimentation, failure, and many, many changes, observations, and corrections. But that's too much work and not simple enough for simpletons and the impatient. So the answer is to cap an ass and the problem goes away. Simple, done. Yay, we got our mini-beheading French revolution.

But it never solves the root problems. Vance talks about tackling the "Deep State" by replacing as many people as possible -- a many fire and forget -- but he seems oblivious to the fact that bureaucracies are self-sustaining and emerge with goals of their own regardless of who you put in the chair. it's the same circus, just different clowns.
I don't follow US politics and I don't support either party, but just from reading the room, there's no way Trump is losing the election at this point.

He is a fucking meme after the assassination attempt. People are desperate with the cost of living crisis, not rational, and want to watch the world burn.

I'm willing to take bets.

Your argument is basically that the majority of American voters are dumb.

I refuse to acknowledge that.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Your argument is basically that the majority of American voters are dumb.

I refuse to acknowledge that.
Majority? It's borderline. There are going to be 20% minimum who want the authoritarian answer no matter what. That ratio can rise higher in times of greater uncertainty or turbulence.

And clever authoritarian leaders try to paint situations that way. If you actually peeled back what's going on with the U.S. southern border, it's an immensely complicated mess. But if you say "Illegal immigrants = murderers, close border", that's a simple concept that allows people to believe in simple answers. Regardless of how ridiculously complicated it is to "close a border" with layers and layers of expected exceptions and conditionals. (I mean, are they really saying Americans cannot leave the country like they are East Germany before the Wall fell?)

And then there are the Silicon Valley billionaire grifters with enough financial insulation to ride out whatever happens to the proletariat as long as they can hedge the financial arbitrage of policy and regulation. They're not dumb at all. They're making calculated investments.

Don't confuse desire with intellect. The desire for gross oversimplification isn't an intellectual exercise. It has little to do with being smart or dumb.
 

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