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L'autista
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You understand it's what a scholar does right? He is a clinical psychologist. It's basically his job, to question, dissect and interpret things. There is practically no better subject then religion to fill his work.


The need for a kind of Messiah has always been and will always be there, it's human nature, but as far as Petersen doing something with an agenda, that not the case...
idk what you are trying to say maybe I'm getting it crossed. Man is doing his job, now if there are some nitwits worshipping him it hardly means what he says has any less value.



He’s a curious case. Wokeistan wants to paint him as a goose-stepping Gestapo captain who wants to gas all the trannies.

On the other end are the twentysomething betamales — sleeping through the past decade with zero ambition beyond Call of Duty while behaving and dressing like 12-year-olds — who are suddenly getting authority figure hard-ons because someone finally challenged their parents’ coddling self-esteem campaigns.

Peel that back, and what we’re left with is a capable and yet unremarkable academic who is thrust in the limelight primary due to all the dysfunction around him.

Still worth a listen though. But not on YouTube playlist loops like he’s discovered some unspeakable truth or atrocity.
 

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JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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He’s a curious case. Wokeistan wants to paint him as a goose-stepping Gestapo captain who wants to gas all the trannies.
On the other end are the twentysomething betamales — sleeping through the past decade with zero ambition beyond Call of Duty while behaving and dressing like 12-year-olds — who are suddenly getting authority figure hard-ons because someone finally challenged their parents’ coddling self-esteem campaigns.

Peel that back, and what we’re left with is a capable and yet unremarkable academic who is thrust in the limelight primary due to all the dysfunction around him.

Still worth a listen though. But not on YouTube playlist loops like he’s discovered some unspeakable truth or atrocity.
I don't think he is either.
I don't deny there are some who will draw false solace and conclusions defined by their own individual shortcomings and will try to fill personal holes with a false rhetoric, not from what they actually heard Jordan say but what they wanted to hear him say. These groups will always exist, if not Jordan they will leech on to another idea and define it the way they see fit.


What he says has been said before him, way before him in history and by greater minds. His significance is there aren't many such men left (I'd argue by design) who dare to challenge and defend logic and basic liberties like words..Petersens great contribution is not only questioning references to gender nouns etc..it's his questioning of changing of language and words (to fit a specific agenda and to control thought) and relating the choice of words to extent of being followed by the penalty of the law.
Unremarkable academic idk.. It's the times that define the man and I would say its very difficult, more difficult than it's ever been for the likes of him not to be antagonized and labeled, like it's happening now, it takes a great individual to withstand that, I think he could have chosen a much more comfortable living instead of this.
Discovery of truth is important but repeating it is just as important, people always need a guide and an interpreter and any such man is just as important as many before him.
 
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s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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He’s a curious case. Wokeistan wants to paint him as a goose-stepping Gestapo captain who wants to gas all the trannies.

On the other end are the twentysomething betamales — sleeping through the past decade with zero ambition beyond Call of Duty while behaving and dressing like 12-year-olds — who are suddenly getting authority figure hard-ons because someone finally challenged their parents’ coddling self-esteem campaigns.

Peel that back, and what we’re left with is a capable and yet unremarkable academic who is thrust in the limelight primary due to all the dysfunction around him.

Still worth a listen though. But not on YouTube playlist loops like he’s discovered some unspeakable truth or atrocity.
this basically

his channel 4 interview is legendary though
 

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L'autista
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What he says has been said before him, way before him in history and by greater minds. His significance is there aren't many such men left (I'd argue by design) who dare to challenge and defend logic and basic liberties like words..Petersens great contribution is not only questioning references to gender nouns etc..it's his questioning of changing of language and words (to fit a specific agenda and to control thought) and relating the choice of words to extent of being followed by the penalty of the law.
This was Steven Pinker’s game years before, but he doesn’t have the fanboys in tow.

Some of it is right. George Will is also a decent old school conservative thinker. But this also reeks of heavy reductionism too. He’s flattening an entire society and attributing all its ills to dem libs, which is more politically convenient than it is useful. It makes you feel better that you’re cheering for the same team, but it doesn’t fix anything.

SF’s problems are also heavily rooted in its runaway capitalistic success, arguing against which doesn’t fly as well to his fan base. When everyone is making bank and jacking property prices to the moon, you end up with big tech and big finance acting as apex predators. You end up with a superfragile monoculture that sheds off al the other healthy root systems of a functioning city.

You’re either one of them (apex predators), or you’re serving them. If neither, you’re stuck in a society that has no use for you other than the shell of a rental unit you’re living in. The people with some resources GTFO. The people without, or who are hobbled by chronic health or addiction issues, are stuck there — like so many poor black families in New Orleans after Katrina.

SF’s homeless problem is at least as much a product of the city’s obscene wealth with VC money raining down as it is generous policies of enablement. And when the local culture learns to fix all problems by throwing more money at it - because that’s what works in business when you’re blitzscaling your tech startup - you get money thrown at it. Meanwhile the social fabric that keeps most troubled individuals stable in a community anywhere else has been obliterated by VC economics and the ethos of paying to make it go away.
 

Hust

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San Fran has been ruined IMO. That ideology is a disease

long are the days where the Joe Manchin typed ruled the party. Now they are stuck with the Omar and AOC’s

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Author gives you hope - then you start reading the comments section…
 
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Post Ironic

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This was Steven Pinker’s game years before, but he doesn’t have the fanboys in tow.



Some of it is right. George Will is also a decent old school conservative thinker. But this also reeks of heavy reductionism too. He’s flattening an entire society and attributing all its ills to dem libs, which is more politically convenient than it is useful. It makes you feel better that you’re cheering for the same team, but it doesn’t fix anything.

SF’s problems are also heavily rooted in its runaway capitalistic success, arguing against which doesn’t fly as well to his fan base. When everyone is making bank and jacking property prices to the moon, you end up with big tech and big finance acting as apex predators. You end up with a superfragile monoculture that sheds off al the other healthy root systems of a functioning city.

You’re either one of them (apex predators), or you’re serving them. If neither, you’re stuck in a society that has no use for you other than the shell of a rental unit you’re living in. The people with some resources GTFO. The people without, or who are hobbled by chronic health or addiction issues, are stuck there — like so many poor black families in New Orleans after Katrina.

SF’s homeless problem is at least as much a product of the city’s obscene wealth with VC money raining down as it is generous policies of enablement. And when the local culture learns to fix all problems by throwing more money at it - because that’s what works in business when you’re blitzscaling your tech startup - you get money thrown at it. Meanwhile the social fabric that keeps most troubled individuals stable in a community anywhere else has been obliterated by VC economics and the ethos of paying to make it go away.
:tup:

It’s also a product of the (governor) Reagan era policy of closing down state run mental hospitals and turning the mentally ill loose on the streets… and then Reagan’s continued assault on mental health care and spending at a federal level while president. Now, he’s not entirely to blame, as numerous governors and presidents could have done something about this. But no one has created any sort of effective way to deal with the mentally ill homeless since they were no longer institutionalized, so they don’t receive even a semblance of the treatment they need. Mental hospitals weren’t perfect and were plagued with abuse issues, but the solution was probably improving that, not shutting them down entirely.

And not to rag only on conservatives here, the progressive liberal nonsense with regards to advocacy for the mentally ill (ie. against all forced institutionalization, even for those who would benefit most from it), give all homeless housing without any conditions attached, etc. What happens when the mentally ill and drug addicted are given housing without any sort of treatment is that they destroy that housing. It’s been seen time and again. They needed to be treated in a transition setting if the idea is to make them functioning members of society again, not given keys to housing and carte Blanche to continue their current habits.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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This was Steven Pinker’s game years before, but he doesn’t have the fanboys in tow.



Some of it is right. George Will is also a decent old school conservative thinker. But this also reeks of heavy reductionism too. He’s flattening an entire society and attributing all its ills to dem libs, which is more politically convenient than it is useful. It makes you feel better that you’re cheering for the same team, but it doesn’t fix anything.

SF’s problems are also heavily rooted in its runaway capitalistic success, arguing against which doesn’t fly as well to his fan base. When everyone is making bank and jacking property prices to the moon, you end up with big tech and big finance acting as apex predators. You end up with a superfragile monoculture that sheds off al the other healthy root systems of a functioning city.

You’re either one of them (apex predators), or you’re serving them. If neither, you’re stuck in a society that has no use for you other than the shell of a rental unit you’re living in. The people with some resources GTFO. The people without, or who are hobbled by chronic health or addiction issues, are stuck there — like so many poor black families in New Orleans after Katrina.

SF’s homeless problem is at least as much a product of the city’s obscene wealth with VC money raining down as it is generous policies of enablement. And when the local culture learns to fix all problems by throwing more money at it - because that’s what works in business when you’re blitzscaling your tech startup - you get money thrown at it. Meanwhile the social fabric that keeps most troubled individuals stable in a community anywhere else has been obliterated by VC economics and the ethos of paying to make it go away.
I cri everytiem :sad:

veri sad stawry
 

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L'autista
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:tup:

It’s also a product of the (governor) Reagan era policy of closing down state run mental hospitals and turning the mentally ill loose on the streets… and then Reagan’s continued assault on mental health care and spending at a federal level while president. Now, he’s not entirely to blame, as numerous governors and presidents could have done something about this. But no one has created any sort of effective way to deal with the mentally ill homeless since they were no longer institutionalized, so they don’t receive even a semblance of the treatment they need. Mental hospitals weren’t perfect and were plagued with abuse issues, but the solution was probably improving that, not shutting them down entirely.

And not to rag only on conservatives here, the progressive liberal nonsense with regards to advocacy for the mentally ill (ie. against all forced institutionalization, even for those who would benefit most from it), give all homeless housing without any conditions attached, etc. What happens when the mentally ill and drug addicted are given housing without any sort of treatment is that they destroy that housing. It’s been seen time and again. They needed to be treated in a transition setting if the idea is to make them functioning members of society again, not given keys to housing and carte Blanche to continue their current habits.
True, but then that’s true of Miami as much as San Francisco.

In SF - unlike NY or Miami or many other cities - the tech monoculture hollowed out the economy so there was next to zero social safety net for anybody who didn’t fit in that monoculture.
 

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L'autista
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I honestly believe the kid acted in self-defense too. But so did the people he shot for the most part. If I was on that street, I'd have taken him for an active shooter.

He basically did what the Ferguson, MO cops did with similar results. Arm yourself to the teeth looking for confrontation, and you will often find it with dead people as a result. There's little margin here for de-escalation.
 

X Æ A-12

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I honestly believe the kid acted in self-defense too. But so did the people he shot for the most part. If I was on that street, I'd have taken him for an active shooter.

He basically did what the Ferguson, MO cops did with similar results. Arm yourself to the teeth looking for confrontation, and you will often find it with dead people as a result. There's little margin here for de-escalation.
Or the deranged child rapist could have not rushed him.
 

X Æ A-12

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Those kids get shot in the head by cops all the time ... and often on calls where the mom calls the cop to help.

Mental illness and PCP highs don't mix well with police.
So the public should be more aware of that rather than automatically assuming the shooter was unjustified and mental gymnastics must be performed to find them properly in the legal and moral wrong. That awareness won't happen when the media and certain politicians...

How many people, before the trial commenced, ever knew that Gaige Grosskreutz pulled and pointed a gun directly at Rittenhouse?
 

ALC

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He acted in self defense, but it all boils down to “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” and Kyle was all about playing stupid games. Guy’s an idiot who goes out in public armed, who the fuck thinks that’s a good idea?
 

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L'autista
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So the public should be more aware of that rather than automatically assuming the shooter was unjustified and mental gymnastics must be performed to find them properly in the legal and moral wrong. That awareness won't happen when the media and certain politicians...

How many people, before the trial commenced, ever knew that Gaige Grosskreutz pulled and pointed a gun directly at Rittenhouse?
There's a good article about what does "self defense" even mean anymore from the NYT yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/13/us/rittenhouse-arbery-self-defense.html
 

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I like how the prosecutor worked Roadhouse into his closing arguments. I wouldn’t want him to be my lawyer but he’s certainly entertaining.
 

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