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I definitely second that.
People act like Malcolm X and MLK were best buddies and agreed on everything.
The great thing about reducing everything to binaries is that you never have to think. All you have to do is assess, sort, and act according to your sort. Very efficient.
Unfortunately it doesn't reflect reality at all.
People act like Malcolm X and MLK were best buddies and agreed on everything.
Yes, I am sure all those people were at the DNC last week, wearing their donkey ties.
I just don't understand this daily jones for this stuff. CHOP ended, and that made me sad. Oh, but here's Portland ... yay! Now that's dying down.
Oh, how about Kenosha!!
It's like my worldview would be crushed without a daily dose of reaction to injustice to consume on a regular basis.
Treating another race differently is precisely what a lot of people actually want. That's the difference between equality and equity. You cannot talk about reparations if you don't believe in treating races differently.
We all are racist. IMO, you might think it's about time that we all take back the term racist the way that blacks took the N word back. I just think we are all racist to some degree.
People act like Malcolm X and MLK were best buddies and agreed on everything.
The great thing about reducing everything to binaries is that you never have to think. All you have to do is assess, sort, and act according to your sort. Very efficient.
Unfortunately it doesn't reflect reality at all.
People act like Malcolm X and MLK were best buddies and agreed on everything.
Yes, I am sure all those people were at the DNC last week, wearing their donkey ties.
I just don't understand this daily jones for this stuff. CHOP ended, and that made me sad. Oh, but here's Portland ... yay! Now that's dying down.
Oh, how about Kenosha!!It's like my worldview would be crushed without a daily dose of reaction to injustice to consume on a regular basis.
Treating another race differently is precisely what a lot of people actually want. That's the difference between equality and equity. You cannot talk about reparations if you don't believe in treating races differently.
We all are racist. IMO, you might think it's about time that we all take back the term racist the way that blacks took the N word back. I just think we are all racist to some degree.
Well here's the problem with numbers without questioning their foundations. As Ronald Coase put it, "if you torture the data long enough, it will confess". Hence you need a human in the loop.
While I agree with numerical skepticism, I am going to take just one side here -- your devil's advocate -- to illustrate.
For example, that arrest rate by race doesn't dismiss an argument that blacks are disproportionately arrested, so that's a weak justification. If systemic racism is about controlling blacks, as it was with South African Apartheid, then of course blacks will be arrested in greater proportions. That's at least as much a problem as it is an attempted justification.
Next you have to ask what does inter-racial murder have to do with state-sanctioned police murder? Black cops kill black people too, and all. And if you are to argue that whites are violently oppressing blacks, what does that make Amy Cooper? She's the classic case of assault by police proxy.
Then the graphics go into a deeper dive -- in a bizarre "assume a spherical cow" style -- that somehow equates black and white murders of each other as justification for police murder. Complete apples and oranges.
And for the pièce de résistance, the graphics conclude with "if blacks kill each other, police should be justified", which is nonsense. It's like saying since white people more often get away with white-collar crimes, they should not have to pay taxes.
While I agree with numerical skepticism, I am going to take just one side here -- your devil's advocate -- to illustrate.
For example, that arrest rate by race doesn't dismiss an argument that blacks are disproportionately arrested, so that's a weak justification. If systemic racism is about controlling blacks, as it was with South African Apartheid, then of course blacks will be arrested in greater proportions. That's at least as much a problem as it is an attempted justification.
Next you have to ask what does inter-racial murder have to do with state-sanctioned police murder? Black cops kill black people too, and all. And if you are to argue that whites are violently oppressing blacks, what does that make Amy Cooper? She's the classic case of assault by police proxy.
Then the graphics go into a deeper dive -- in a bizarre "assume a spherical cow" style -- that somehow equates black and white murders of each other as justification for police murder. Complete apples and oranges.
And for the pièce de résistance, the graphics conclude with "if blacks kill each other, police should be justified", which is nonsense. It's like saying since white people more often get away with white-collar crimes, they should not have to pay taxes.
The interracial violent crime chart: the story is never an honest one if you omit the intraracial bit in a country where 75% is white and create charts with absolute numbers rather than percentages, but again who am i saying this to. This is the full story:
White on white crime: 57% of all violent crimes on whites
Black on white crime: 15% of all violent crimes on whites (yes, that's about .5 million incidents)
Hispanic on white crime: 11% of all violent crimes on whites
White on black crime: 11% of all violent crimes on blacks (compare it to the 15% in black on white crime, not significantly different, but yes, around 60,000 incidents).
Black on black crime: 63% of all violent crimes on blacks
Hispanic on black crime: 7% of all violent crimes on blacks
White on hispanic crime: 20% of all violent crimes on hispanics (twice as big as % of hispanic on white crime)
Black on hispanic crime: 21% of all violent crimes on hispanics (three times as big as % of hispanic on black crime)
Hispanic on hispanic crime: 40% of all violent crimes on hispanics
There is no statistically significant difference between the breakdown of crime by race between blacks and whites (hispanics are the ones that deviate).
And this is the chart (my chart is the annual average of 2012-2015 but the story is the same).
White on white crime: 57% of all violent crimes on whites
Black on white crime: 15% of all violent crimes on whites (yes, that's about .5 million incidents)
Hispanic on white crime: 11% of all violent crimes on whites
White on black crime: 11% of all violent crimes on blacks (compare it to the 15% in black on white crime, not significantly different, but yes, around 60,000 incidents).
Black on black crime: 63% of all violent crimes on blacks
Hispanic on black crime: 7% of all violent crimes on blacks
White on hispanic crime: 20% of all violent crimes on hispanics (twice as big as % of hispanic on white crime)
Black on hispanic crime: 21% of all violent crimes on hispanics (three times as big as % of hispanic on black crime)
Hispanic on hispanic crime: 40% of all violent crimes on hispanics
There is no statistically significant difference between the breakdown of crime by race between blacks and whites (hispanics are the ones that deviate).
And this is the chart (my chart is the annual average of 2012-2015 but the story is the same).
