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icemaη

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@icemaη can vouch for me. :D

Nope, not at the pace they're currently going at. They're incompetent and their current leadership (i.e the Gandhi's) really need to move aside and let young blood take over. BJP is playing the long game and they'll remain in power beyond 2024 as things stand. They have all the money & power, plus the media and judiciary are pretty much in their pocket.
Why did you tag me bruh? Now I'll be watched by the all seeing cyber army of bhakts :D

The problem with Congress is that the old guard still wants a Gandhi at the helm. To them it's part of the party's identity. The party really has to crash and burn and emerge with new leadership. The sad part is that they do have really capable young leaders who are being sidelined.
For the country itself, the only hope is that regional parties rise in power again and eventually form a third front that can challenge BJP federally. Regional parties played an important role in squeezing out power when Indira Gandhi was abusing it and they should be able to do it again. At least in the South, regional parties are now pumping in money with the next election in mind. And with how the state elections have gone in the past year, with BJP losing or only narrowly winning, there is some hope left.
Of all the things that's going wrong, it's what's happening with the judiciary that's the most concerning and the most saddening. They are setting precedents that'll continue to put the country in a hole long after BJP loses power.
 
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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Like B_Aus said...modern day book burning. Destroy anything they don't agree with. If you aren't disturbed by pulling Gone with the Wind, lol what's it gonna take? :grin:

Is the growing divide between the upper and lower class something new?

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snowflakes :lol:
Dude, Conservative Christians have been banning (and even burning) sinful books for decades. I guess they really are upset about finally getting a taste of their own medicine. Lol

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I think one of the most annoying things about this general movement is the criticism one gets for not being all the way one side or the other. Like you said the middle is often the best place as you can take things from either side.
:tup: Yep. It’s borderline impossible to call yourself a moderate on either side of the fence right now, without being full on attacked as a sell-out or traitor (to the left or right) by the loudest imbeciles out on the fringe pushing the partisan divide.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Dude, Conservative Christians have been banning (and even burning) sinful books for decades. I guess they really are upset about finally getting a taste of their own medicine. Lol

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:tup: Yep. It’s borderline impossible to call yourself a moderate on either side of the fence right now, without being full on attacked as a sell-out or traitor (to the left or right) by the loudest imbeciles out on the fringe pushing the partisan divide.
And do they have the full support of the speaker of the house, 95% of media, and nearly all academia and Hollywood? They are on a crazy train heading for a cliff...

Not.Even.Close.

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I mean you can knock (justifiably) on the crazy southern baptist fools burning Korans, etc and throwing the Bible around but are they don't get the kind of airtime these fuckwits are getting and you can thank the people I mentioned ^^ for that.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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If Tupac were still alive, I strongly believed back then, as I do now, that he would have been the MLK, or Malcom X of this generation. Because for all the music he made about women and money, he made just as many, if not more, songs about introspection and equality.
Agree 100%. I said it last week, in all these protests and riots I don't see anyone close to MLK or X coming out of the Ashes to represent and lead this Current generation. They have no one, sadly.

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Listen to that full interview. It's great.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Agree 100%. I said it last week, in all these protests and riots I don't see anyone close to MLK or X coming out of the Ashes to represent and lead this Current generation. They have no one, sadly.

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Listen to that full interview. It's great.

I was going to say EXACTLY what you just said. This movement needs someone like an MLK or a Malcom X. Someone who is fairly young, but not too young, but experienced enough in decades of inequality to see everything from all sides.

Sadly, it isn't here. Tupac would have been that guy. He would be around 50 right now, and it is very safe to assume that had he followed the path that he was following in regards to inequality and injustice, he would have been right on the front lines. I think that was his higher calling once his rap career was done. He wouldn't have been somebody to throw money at the problem.

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He has MANY. Truly just spoke his mind with so much empathy.



Anyone that actually listened to the man, knows that he was as multi-faceted as you can get, without sacrificing his roots. My wife was surprised at the level of articulate conversation that he had in a LOT of his interviews.

I told way back then he was much much deeper than what you saw on the surface
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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He talks about motivating youth to get out of the hood, offering them advice that he never got that would have kept him out of trouble if he had it when he was a kid. He mentions its not the whites keeping you down, rather than the system and how to fight it, etc. He didn't seem to buy into the race battle thing and talked about owning a gun ONLY for self defense, etc.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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And do they have the full support of the speaker of the house, 95% of media, and nearly all academia and Hollywood? They are on a crazy train heading for a cliff...

Not.Even.Close.

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I mean you can knock (justifiably) on the crazy southern baptist fools burning Korans, etc and throwing the Bible around but are they don't get the kind of airtime these fuckwits are getting and you can thank the people I mentioned ^^ for that.
Bro, Gone With The Wind hasn’t been banned. HBO Max is bringing it back with a discussion of historical context.

And yes, there are a lot of real fools on the left, but I haven’t seen many in the mainstream advocating for banning classics like Gone With the Wind.

Whereas the right elected Trump as President lol and supports Betsy Devos pushing creationism/intelligent design being taught in schools.

I think it’s safe to say there are a lot of loonies on both left and right, widening the divide. It’d be nice if the moderates could come together in America and create a third political party with some real clout and reasonable ideas.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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He talks about motivating youth to get out of the hood, offering them advice that he never got that would have kept him out of trouble if he had it when he was a kid. He mentions its not the whites keeping you down, rather than the system and how to fight it, etc. He didn't seem to buy into the race battle thing and talked about owning a gun ONLY for self defense, etc.

For those who scoff at the idea of Tupac being a figure to represent the black community.


Malcom Little was a drug addict, womanizing, criminal in his youth, who also faked his way out of WW II by acting insane, and was a pimp. Arguably a worse path than what Tupac was on.


He became Malcom X.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Bro, Gone With The Wind hasn’t been banned. HBO Max is bringing it back with a discussion of historical context.

And yes, there are a lot of real fools on the left, but I haven’t seen many in the mainstream advocating for banning classics like Gone With the Wind.

Whereas the right elected Trump as President lol and supports Betsy Devos pushing creationism/intelligent design being taught in schools.

I think it’s safe to say there are a lot of loonies on both left and right, widening the divide. It’d be nice if the moderates could come together in America and create a third political party with some real clout and reasonable ideas.
A pendulum swings as far as it can in both directions, but it always meets the middle.

Let the laws of nature/physics dictate this one. Meet.In.The.Middle.
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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Bro, Gone With The Wind hasn’t been banned. HBO Max is bringing it back with a discussion of historical context.

And yes, there are a lot of real fools on the left, but I haven’t seen many in the mainstream advocating for banning classics like Gone With the Wind.

Whereas the right elected Trump as President lol and supports Betsy Devos pushing creationism/intelligent design being taught in schools.

I think it’s safe to say there are a lot of loonies on both left and right, widening the divide. It’d be nice if the moderates could come together in America and create a third political party with some real clout and reasonable ideas.
The problem is the American political spectrum is so fucked up.
Left and right have no real meaning.
The far left is off the deep end on social issues, just like the far right are on the other end. Moderates are fine socially but still really right wing when it comes to economic policy.
so there’s really just three options:
1) Far left: Ridiculous social policy, okay on economics but not great because everything will be tied to equality of outcome, not opportunity.
2) Centrist: pretty great socially but will continue to screw over the middle class and poor. Will give rise to both extremes because people will be discontent financially.
3) Far right: the nightmare we’ve been living right now. Could be even worse if Trump get re-elected.
 

ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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For those who scoff at the idea of Tupac being a figure to represent the black community.


Malcom Little was a drug addict, womanizing, criminal in his youth, who also faked his way out of WW II by acting insane, and was a pimp. Arguably a worse path than what Tupac was on.


He became Malcom X.
Wayne Brady makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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in the time of 2 national crises I know I can sleep well at night knowing my president is focusing on important stuff at 10:56AM of a werkday
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Why did you tag me bruh? Now I'll be watched by the all seeing cyber army of bhakts :D

The problem with Congress is that the old guard still wants a Gandhi at the helm. To them it's part of the party's identity. The party really has to crash and burn and emerge with new leadership. The sad part is that they do have really capable young leaders who are being sidelined.
For the country itself, the only hope is that regional parties rise in power again and eventually form a third front that can challenge BJP federally. Regional parties played an important role in squeezing out power when Indira Gandhi was abusing it and they should be able to do it again. At least in the South, regional parties are now pumping in money with the next election in mind. And with how the state elections have gone in the past year, with BJP losing or only narrowly winning, there is some hope left.
Of all the things that's going wrong, it's what's happening with the judiciary that's the most concerning and the most saddening. They are setting precedents that'll continue to put the country in a hole long after BJP loses power.
My boyfriend's parents are Modi supporters. The conversation they had with their son (in my presence) during the Delhi riots was so much fun :grin:
Also some of the most powerful Indian academics I know in econ/business are supporting Modi. I have never seen an academic trusting a politician in the way some of the US based Indian academics support Modi's politics.
 

JuveJay

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If Tupac were still alive, I strongly believed back then, as I do now, that he would have been the MLK, or Malcom X of this generation. Because for all the music he made about women and money, he made just as many, if not more, songs about introspection and equality.
Either that or he'd be called an "out of touch old guy" (he'd be nearly 50 years old now) and not PC enough for social media snowflakes.
 

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