'Murica! (317 Viewers)

[X Æ A-12]

Dude 56 people died in Soleimani’s funeral yesterday. Lives of people are that worthy to the Iranian regime. They just call them martyrs and move on. As a matter of fact they did it already with those 56.
I’m not sure yet whether the plane was struck down or it was really a malfunction. I wouldn’t put past IRGC to make such a mistake but let’s wait and see.

lol how?

 

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[Ronn]

lol how?

Stampede. Poor crowd control.

 

[lgorTudor]

That plane got shot down. Engine failure doesn't cause a crash like this unless turbine blades were destroyed and they weren't, the pilots didn't call mayday, plane was performing fine before it suddenly went down. Absolutely nothing to do with your usual 737 shenanigans.

RIP to all victims

 

[Bjerknes]

Maybe he was referring to something else, we are all waiting for answers to it

If US was in any way responsible for this Iranian state media would’ve wasted no time in publicizing that. Google flight 655 to see past examples of that.

I have no idea, but I don't understand why would they shot down their own citizens?

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Downed airliner cause probabilities, ranked in order.

1) Iran accidentally shoots it down thinking it’s a US bomber
2) Mossad takes it out to blame it on Iran
3) Jehtro the air mechanic is pissed his government didn’t kill anyone in the missile attack, so he unscrews a few bolt in the engine
4) “Technical error”

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Very few remains. Indicative of a mid-air explosion/bomb/missile hit

It could have been any of the above scenarios or another not listed, but just using Occam's Razor, technical error is the least likely out of any possible scenario. Then looking at the wreckage with all the holes, obviously it was either a bomb, missile, or anti-aircraft file.

 

[Ronn]

If they really have mistaken a civil plane that just took off from their own airport for a US fighterjet, then they are way more retarted than I thought.

Most smart people don’t really want to work for autocratic regimes.

 

[Cerval]

Trump seems to go for de-escalation

 

[Bjerknes]

Trump seems to go for de-escalation

Good.

If that's the end of it and there aren't any additional retaliatory strikes for a while, then this is a big win for Trump.

 

[X Æ A-12]

uneducated opinion, I don't know soulemani enough to know how crucial an individual he is, if he is easily replaceable, but doesn't Iran come out of this in a surprisingly good position?

They had just had anti government protests, shot dead hundreds of their own civilians, now US provides a convenient enemy to distract them all. Everybody's a nationalist again. Iranian civilians may see it as the US killing a beloved figure, they openly retaliated, fired missiles directly at US troops and instead of retaliating the mighty US withdraws its forces?

More importantly, Iraq is finally kicking those pesky US troops out for good. Nothing to stop growth of Iranian influence in its unstable neighbor now.

Does this situation gain the Iranian regime greater legitimacy in front of its population and freedom to operate without the US in Iraq?

once again, I don't this situation well enough to know how crucial Soulemani as an individual is so

 

[Enron]

uneducated opinion, I don't know soulemani enough to know how crucial an individual he is, if he is easily replaceable, but doesn't Iran come out of this in a surprisingly good position?

They had just had anti government protests, shot dead hundreds of their own civilians, now US provides a convenient enemy to distract them all. Everybody's a nationalist again. Iranian civilians may see it as the US killing a beloved figure, they openly retaliated, fired missiles directly at US troops and instead of retaliating the mighty US withdraws its forces?

More importantly, Iraq is finally kicking those pesky US troops out for good. Nothing to stop growth of Iranian influence in its unstable neighbor now.

Does this situation gain the Iranian regime greater legitimacy in front of its population and freedom to operate without the US in Iraq?

once again, I don't this situation well enough to know how crucial Soulemani as an individual is so

pretty good assessment

 

[Ronn]

uneducated opinion, I don't know soulemani enough to know how crucial an individual he is, if he is easily replaceable, but doesn't Iran come out of this in a surprisingly good position?

They had just had anti government protests, shot dead hundreds of their own civilians, now US provides a convenient enemy to distract them all. Everybody's a nationalist again. Iranian civilians may see it as the US killing a beloved figure, they openly retaliated, fired missiles directly at US troops and instead of retaliating the mighty US withdraws its forces?

More importantly, Iraq is finally kicking those pesky US troops out for good. Nothing to stop growth of Iranian influence in its unstable neighbor now.

Does this situation gain the Iranian regime greater legitimacy in front of its population and freedom to operate without the US in Iraq?

once again, I don't this situation well enough to know how crucial Soulemani as an individual is so

I agree with protest part, but Soleimani is not easily replaceable, not because who he was but because of who they made him out to be. He was inflated and elevated to a cult hero status in Iran. It’ll take years to prop up somebody else.
If they manage to convince Iraq to follow through with their threat of expulsion of US troops then that’s a massive win for them.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

So to summarize: short term win for us, long-term win for the current Iranian regime (greater legitimacy, patriotism, etc)?

 

[Ronn]

So to summarize: short term win for us, long-term win for the current Iranian regime (greater legitimacy, patriotism, etc)?

Except sanctions are still in place. Without that it’s a win win for both governments. Losers, as usual unfortunately, are the people of Iran in any scenario.

 

[ALC]

Good.

If that's the end of it and there aren't any additional retaliatory strikes for a while, then this is a big win for Trump.

idk if I would call any of this a win for trump but I’m sure his supporters will shovel it down their throats

 

[X Æ A-12]

I agree with protest part, but Soleimani is not easily replaceable, not because who he was but because of who they made him out to be. He was inflated and elevated to a cult hero status in Iran. It’ll take years to prop up somebody else.
If they manage to convince Iraq to follow through with their threat of expulsion of US troops then that’s a massive win for them.

But in that situation, maybe he is more valuable as a dead martyr then an alive general? I think some people might look at this and view it as Trump's wild foreign policy decisions conveniently benefiting a Putin ally and further weakening US position in the middle east

I wonder if its also possible that there actually is some truth to the rumored "intelligence" about an upcoming attack and if Iranian regime had been seeking to begin, and carefully navigate, a conflict with the US that is significant enough to end domestic protests while careful enough to not end in direct military action with the US as a desperate move to stay in power.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

idk if I would call any of this a win for trump but I’m sure his supporters will shovel it down their throats

Soleimani dead is still a win

 

[X Æ A-12]

Soleimani dead is still a win

maybe for his reelection campaign but is it a net positive operationally?

maybe both Trump and the Iranian regime benefit from this at long term cost to US status in the region?

 

[Ronn]

But in that situation, maybe he is more valuable as a dead martyr then an alive general? I think some people might look at this and view it as Trump's wild foreign policy decisions conveniently benefiting a Putin ally and further weakening US position in the middle east

I wonder if its also possible that there actually is some truth to the rumored "intelligence" about an upcoming attack and if Iranian regime had been seeking to begin, and carefully navigate, a conflict with the US that is significant enough to end domestic protests while careful enough to not end in direct military action with the US as a desperate move to stay in power.

Yes that might be true. You could see signs of that with massive funerals held in 3 cities, one of which he had no connection with, but it was the site of the biggest anti-government demonstrations 2 months ago. There are reports of random people getting arrested for “insulting” the martyred general. One newspaper editor found himself in hot water by referring to his death as simply “being killed”, and not the preferred state verbiage “being martyred”.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

maybe for his reelection campaign but is it a net positive operationally?

maybe both Trump and the Iranian regime benefit from this?

some say iran wanted to get rid of him.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Yes that might be true. You could see signs of that with massive funerals held in 3 cities, one of which he had no connection with, but it was the site of the biggest anti-government demonstrations 2 months ago. There are reports of random people getting arrested for “insulting” the martyred general. One newspaper editor found himself in hot water by referring to his death as simply “being killed”, and not the preferred state verbiage “being martyred”.

awfully convenient. not saying the intended the US to kill soulemani but perhaps they were hoping to provoke some sort of reaction lately and duped trump into giving them a gift.

 

[campionesidd]

awfully convenient. not saying the intended the US to kill soulemani but perhaps they were hoping to provoke some sort of reaction lately and duped trump into giving them a gift.

Wouldn’t be the first time.