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Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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I feel that, concentration camp is nowhere near what they are and that Obama did it before him and that something has to be done. It needs to be more humane but we can't let unfettered access to this country
You know they are deliberately making it less humane so that it deters people from seeking asylum? It's the stated policy.


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AndreaCristiano

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You know they are deliberately making it less humane so that it deters people from seeking asylum? It's the stated policy.


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On all sides that's wrong. In the end people in power for the most part all over the world all parties look out for the political class and keep us fighting so they can keep the power.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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Have you been to central america? I dont at all support open borders but if i was in pedros shoes I would run too.
The problems are this , why do we not help fix those issues instead of forcing these people to leave their homes. Same can be said for Africa the EU especially Italy ,Greece and Spain are dealing with horrible immigration problem because we as a so called world economy don't do anything to help thee countries collapsing under corruption, terrorism etc
 

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The problems are this , why do we not help fix those issues instead of forcing these people to leave their homes. Same can be said for Africa the EU especially Italy ,Greece and Spain are dealing with horrible immigration problem because we as a so called world economy don't do anything to help thee countries collapsing under corruption, terrorism etc
You voted for Trump here. The guy who is cutting foreign aid to third world countries massively. Hardly room for you to moralize on this. You talk about fixing issues in these countries so the people aren't forced to lead, well, perhaps slashing foreign aid isn't the best way to go about this.
 

AndreaCristiano

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You voted for Trump here. The guy who is cutting foreign aid to third world countries massively. Hardly room for you to moralize on this. You talk about fixing issues in these countries so the people aren't forced to lead, well, perhaps slashing foreign aid isn't the best way to go about this.
Sending aid to corrupt countries does nothing as that money doesn't get to those who need it so you're argument is moot. The systemic issues need to be addressed then the money can be restarted. How long have we given money to the world and yet they have gotten worse and their hate for the west has grown. Money doesn't help anything the answer for issues isn't throw money at it. It's the same with domestic issues. You can throw all the money you want at school districts, the VA , social security etc. If the systemic corruption isn't fixed and the allocation of monies isn't stir5ctly observed the money goes to the pockets of officials and not those in need
 
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You voted for Trump here. The guy who is cutting foreign aid to third world countries massively. Hardly room for you to moralize on this. You talk about fixing issues in these countries so the people aren't forced to lead, well, perhaps slashing foreign aid isn't the best way to go about this.
Trump also withdrew from the Paris climate accord which is terrible news for these people who live in places that are vulnerable to changes in climate.

The problem with Trump is that he is a complete imbecile who is so stupid that he actually thinks he's smart. I doubt he even considers the possibility that people who have spent their whole lives studying and researching certain subjects would know better than him. He's a firefighter, landscape expert, climate expert, economist, foreign trade expert, immigration expert and so on. This dude really knows it all.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Trump also withdrew from the Paris climate accord which is terrible news for these people who live in places that are vulnerable to changes in climate.

The problem with Trump is that he is a complete imbecile who is so stupid that he actually thinks he's smart. I doubt he even considers the possibility that people who have spent their whole lives studying and researching certain subjects would know better than him. He's a firefighter, landscape expert, climate expert, economist, foreign trade expert, immigration expert and so on. This dude really has it all.
Paris climate Accord please. If these governments actually cared about climate change they would put meaningful things in motion not tripe like these accords that do nothing but raise the cost of living
 
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Sending aid to corrupt countries does nothing as that money doesn't get to those who need it so you're argument is moot. The systemic issues need to be addressed then the money can be restarted. How long have we given money to the world and yet they have gotten worse and their hate for the west has grown. Money doesn't help anything the answer for issues isn't throw money at it. It's the same with domestic issues. You can throw all the money you want at school districts, the VA , social security etc. If the systemic corruption isn't fixed and the allocation of monies isn't stir5ctly observed the money goes to the pockets of officials and not those in need
How would you fix these very complex issues in developing countries?
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Sending aid to corrupt countries does nothing as that money doesn't get to those who need it so you're argument is moot. The systemic issues need to be addressed then the money can be restarted. How long have we given money to the world and yet they have gotten worse and their hate for the west has grown. Money doesn't help anything the answer for issues isn't throw money at it. It's the same with domestic issues. You can throw all the money you want at school districts, the VA , social security etc. If the systemic corruption isn't fixed and the allocation of monies isn't stir5ctly observed the money goes to the pockets of officials and not those in need
And Trump is fixing systemic corruption? Bullshit. His drain the swamp is populist outrage and nonsense. He's done nothing but appoint members of the swamp, and make it far more corrupt. The number of scandals and self-dealing amongst his cabinet and staff is disgusting.

Obviously systemic issues need to be addressed but cutting off foreign aid is not the answer seeing as the trickle that actually got to the people and improving their lives will be gone, the answer is to more heavily regulate what that aid can be used for, and be more involved in the process of using it for good. Trump hasn't suggested anything of the sort, he just wants to get rid of foreign aid.

Nor has Trump done anything to help fix how money is spent domestically, slashing spending all across the board on everything that isn't part of the military industrial complex. No plans for how all Americans are actually going to have access to good health care, education, and social programs...

And no privatization of health care, education, prisons, etc is not the way to go there, as it just ends up widening the wealth gap, the distance between the haves and have nots... which has basically been American politics on both sides of the aisle since Reagan came to power. Privatization just leads to costs on the consumer spiralling out of control, especially with the ridiculous deregulation of the Trump admin.
 

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Trump also withdrew from the Paris climate accord which is terrible news for these people who live in places that are vulnerable to changes in climate.

The problem with Trump is that he is a complete imbecile who is so stupid that he actually thinks he's smart. I doubt he even considers the possibility that people who have spent their whole lives studying and researching certain subjects would know better than him. He's a firefighter, landscape expert, climate expert, economist, foreign trade expert, immigration expert and so on. This dude really knows it all.[/QUOTE]
:agree:

He goes with his gut instinct as he has said many times. He even believes his gut is right over the experts the majority of the time. Trump is a blustering imbecile of a conman. Unfortunately the American people fell for this con.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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I support him because he disrupts. The status quo hasn't worked and we as Americans sit and look for people who play the part and placate by speaking platitudes.

He has done some good things and at least he's trying to change things
Hitler was a disrupter too. That's not enough by itself unless you actually believe the guy is changing things for good. Yet you lament that there's no discourse, treatments of migrants is inhumane, those foreign governments don't care about climate change, etc, while you vote for the guy who insults and denigrates all his political opponents, uses bad treatment as deterrent, and denies climate change even exists.
 
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Paris climate Accord please. If these governments actually cared about climate change they would put meaningful things in motion not tripe like these accords that do nothing but raise the cost of living
The accord itself isn't the biggest problem. The problem is that none of the countries are on course to reach their targets. There certainly needs to be some sort of plan on how to act on the issue, but Trump doesn't even acknowledge there being an issue.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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Hitler was a disrupter too. That's not enough by itself unless you actually believe the guy is changing things for good. Yet you lament that there's no discourse, treatments of migrants is inhumane, those foreign governments don't care about climate change, etc, while you vote for the guy who insults and denigrates all his political opponents, uses bad treatment as deterrent, and denies climate change even exists.
Please this comparison is beyond ridiculous and doesn't even deserve a response. You guys sit in this eco chamber of tuz and don't realize there is a whole other point of view by a majority of people and yet I'm the one who needs to be educated. Goodnight people be blessed
 

Ronn

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Please this comparison is beyond ridiculous and doesn't even deserve a response. You guys sit in this eco chamber of tuz and don't realize there is a whole other point of view by a majority of people and yet I'm the one who needs to be educated. Goodnight people be blessed
I did not compare Trump to Hitler. I said being a disrupter is not enough by itself, as Hitler was too. But if you want to run away from yourself go ahead.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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The comparison is ludicrous at any level. Not only is it not the only reason I voted for him but it's ridiculous to put the two in any commom discourse
What a drama queen. :lol:
That was not a comparison. You said yourself you voted for him because he's a disrupter even though you seem to disagree with many of his positions.
 

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