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[Osman]

But its so much more interesting then the point man

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Breeding is not evolution, its an alteration of the phenotype without a change of the genotype.

If Osman would have sex with preet (she's fat enough to take his slong), and he nuts it right, it would create a 'mulat'. (if this term is offensive, i do appologise, but its how we call it, i'm open to better suggestions).

A mulat will have phenotypical traits lying in between the two. For example, the median of the pigmentation, curlyness of hair, etc.


This is not a new species. Its a different phenotype.

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[pitbull]

And that's why ot should be taught in a religious education subject, along with the beliefs of other religions, not next to evolution.

so basically, if a children in history class for example says: "but in sunday school we're taught that God created humans, how does that go together with your evolution?"
you want the teacher to answer "hey, this is history class, be silent!"

 

[Zacheryah]

so basically, if a children in history class for example says: "but in sunday school we're taught that God created humans, how does that go together with your evolution?"
you want the teacher to answer "hey, this is history class, be silent!"

There is a difference between, as Maddy said, a teacher preeching. Or a teacher explaining his students but answerring questions based of his field of excellence

 

[pitbull]

There is a difference between, as Maddy said, a teacher preeching. Or a teacher explaining his students but answerring questions based of his field of excellence

I don't think anyone wants to change education system and make it obligatory for all history teachers to preach. I think especially Christians would not want that, it's a very unlikely scenario you're proposing here.

 

[Osman]

Intelligent design in a biology class

America must be a scary place when this is actually a valid debate to have according to them?

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[Osman]

so basically, if a children in history class for example says: "but in sunday school we're taught that God created humans, how does that go together with your evolution?"
you want the teacher to answer "hey, this is history class, be silent!"

No he should explain the thought process and proven findings of evolution or anything else scientific a pupil asks. And how it's very different from a faith based story you are meant to believe in not prove as actual historical / scientific record.


Why is this complicated to get?

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[Osman]

I don't think anyone wants to change education system and make it obligatory for all history teachers to preach. I think especially Christians would not want that, it's a very unlikely scenario you're proposing here.

Do you understand the goal and purpose of intelligent design lobbies? That they want it to replace or be equal in curriculum to evolution education?

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[Ronn]

I don't think anyone wants to change education system and make it obligatory for all history teachers to preach. I think especially Christians would not want that, it's a very unlikely scenario you're proposing here.

Christians in where I live would love that. I don't what kind of Christians you're talking to


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[Zacheryah]

Do you understand the goal and purpose of intelligent design lobbies? That they want it to replace or be equal in curriculum to evolution education?

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You can go further then that. They want to move it down to 'just a theory that is flawed and cant be proven'. Because the main issue with religion is that they cant proof stuff either

 

[Seven]

I don't think anyone wants to change education system and make it obligatory for all history teachers to preach. I think especially Christians would not want that, it's a very unlikely scenario you're proposing here.

No. That's exactly what they want to do.

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America must be a scary place when this is actually a valid debate to have according to them?

It is. And it gets even scarier when you realise that it makes no sense for normally intelligent people to support intelligent design. The fact that they do or the fact that it is pushed so hard is not something that can be explained by mere ignorance. Part of that group is actually deliberately trying to dumb down parts of the population.

 

[pitbull]

Christians in where I live would love that. I don't what kind of Christians you're talking to


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pls, no one wants to encourage false doctrine on a national level, maybe 10% of those teachers could be qualified to preach, possibly less

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Do you understand the goal and purpose of intelligent design lobbies? That they want it to replace or be equal in curriculum to evolution education?

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i don't give a shit about intelligent design lobbies, what I'm debating that more information for pupils is better if it's presented the right way and religion shouldn't be censored out of history lessons for example because some are scared of it, it won't cause jihad or crusades if children are presented with different views on beginning of earth.

 

[lgorTudor]

Only thing they should show kids in regard to religion

 

[Maddy]

i don't give a shit about intelligent design lobbies, what I'm debating that more information for pupils is better if it's presented the right way and religion shouldn't be censored out of history lessons for example because some are scared of it

Religion isn't censored and it shouldn't be.

It's the preaching part that should be. Leave that for clergies away (!) from school.

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America must be a scary place when this is actually a valid debate to have according to them?

Regressive 'Murica strikes again.

 

[pitbull]

Only thing they should show kids in regard to religion

yeah and don't vote too

 

[IliveForJuve]

Intelligent design

There are more chances of aliens creating our planet and solar system than a God doing so.

 

[Enron]

if I understand this correctly, at moment evolution is taught in American schools as the absolute truth and people are upset that after this change children might be presented with several theories? what's wrong with that? most of the population is Christian or close to it which means that sooner or later the children anyways will read the Bible version

You don't understand correctly. It is taught as the theory of evolution and a few people get upset because religion. The only reason that evolution remains a theory is the power of religion.

Yes we have a high percentage of Christian people in our country. But we have the freedom to study any religion or no religion as well. Also, it is unconstitutional for schools that receive federal or state funding to teach or favor a religion. We have a separation of church and state. If you wish for your child to receive a religious education there are private schools that provide that. If you are unable to afford such an education, there is also home schooling and scholarships given by the people that run these schools.

A state mandated order to teach religion as if it were science is nothing less that state indoctrination and is completely and utterly contrary to the values upon which our nation was founded. That is wrong. Evolution is taught in science class with evidence side by side with other theories of physical science.

To argue for the inclusion of religion in these classes is wrong. There is no discussion. There is no reply, no argument. The answer is no. Period.

 

[Seven]

pls, no one wants to encourage false doctrine on a national level

I don't think you fully realise what the intelligent design lobby is about.

 

[Ronn]

pls, no one wants to encourage false doctrine on a national level, maybe 10% of those teachers could be qualified to preach, possibly less

Teachers can always be replaced. That's not the hardest part.
Really, I'd like to know what group of Christians you're talking to. I repeat, majority of the ones I know will be absolutely thrilled. I mean the kind that believe Earth is really 6000 years old and dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible.

 

[lgorTudor]

Teachers can always be replaced. That's not the hardest part.
Really, I'd like to know what group of Christians you're talking to. I repeat, majority of the ones I know will be absolutely thrilled. I mean the kind that believe Earth is really 6000 years old and dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible.

You are both right, it's just that the european christians (minus orthodox church) aren't comparable to their american counterparts. European priests and christians shake their heads in disgust when confronted with their american colleague's claims and intentions.

 

[Osman]

You don't understand correctly. It is taught as the theory of evolution and a few people get upset because religion. The only reason that evolution remains a theory is the power of religion.

Yes we have a high percentage of Christian people in our country. But we have the freedom to study any religion or no religion as well. Also, it is unconstitutional for schools that receive federal or state funding to teach or favor a religion. We have a separation of church and state. If you wish for your child to receive a religious education there are private schools that provide that. If you are unable to afford such an education, there is also home schooling and scholarships given by the people that run these schools.

A state mandated order to teach religion as if it were science is nothing less that state indoctrination and is completely and utterly contrary to the values upon which our nation was founded. That is wrong. Evolution is taught in science class with evidence side by side with other theories of physical science.

To argue for the inclusion of religion in these classes is wrong. There is no discussion. There is no reply, no argument. The answer is no. Period.

Well said. It really should be simple to get. Fanatic dogma has no business in governing the school system.

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