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[king Ale]

As much as I love spending time in the states, you also need to acknowledge that it's one of the weirdest places on Earth. Look at how morbidly obese people are complaining about fat shaming..

But that indeed has to do with how easily the word fat has been thrown at people who may not be qualified for a catwalk but are definitely healthy. This whole fighting fat shaming campaign is ridiculous in understanding the problem, and that's why the solution they are offering is wrong and will cause bigger problems. Of course those obese people who are too lazy to have a healthy lifestyle would conveniently jump on the bandwagon and the bandwagon seems to be easily accepting them. I was working on a project about women's perceptions of body size, self-esteem and self-evaluation. Our sample was undergrad students and it was insane to see what they considered "fat" or "overweight". Not only that, many of those whose bmi was within the normal range (and even on the lower side of the normal range), were evaluating themselves as "overweight" and of course there was a correlation between such evaluations and those girls' appearance self-esteem. So there is undoubtedly a problem. Thing is, this "fighting the fat shaming" campaign is targeting the wrong audience.

 

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[Trequartista]

Maybe. In continental Europe not so much. Here we look at morbidly obese people and have zero sympathy for them. I know that sounds cruel, but you have to understand that over here we do judge people. All the time. Even when we say we don't. We are not nearly as forgiving as Americans. And that's not always bad.

Agreed. I don't see morbid obesity as much different from smoking cigarettes, yet smoking cigarettes is widely condemned in society (smoking bans in public places). It's weird.

 

[Seven]

But that indeed has to do with how easily the word fat has been thrown at people who may not be qualified for a catwalk but are definitely healthy. This whole fighting fat shaming campaign is ridiculous in understanding the problem, and that's why the solution they are offering is wrong and will cause bigger problems. Of course those obese people who are too lazy to have a healthy lifestyle would conveniently jump on the bandwagon and the bandwagon seems to be easily accepting them. I was working on a project about women's perceptions of body size, self-esteem and self-evaluation. Our sample was undergrad students and it was insane to see what they considered "fat" or "overweight". Not only that, many of those whose bmi was within the normal range (and even on the lower side of the normal range), were evaluating themselves as "overweight" and of course there was a correlation between such evaluations and those girls' appearance self-esteem. So there is undoubtedly a problem. Thing is, this "fighting the fat shaming" campaign is targeting the wrong audience.

I understand that people are sometimes unhappy about their body when they really should be quite proud and nothing is wrong with them. I know women in particular can have issues with that. And that's a shame. But I feel like in Europe you would have a newspaper publish an article about how women are too hard on themselves and in America you get a 500 pound whale prancing around showing off her curves and calling every woman with a normal weight unhealthy as a spokeswoman for a fat shaming movement.

 

[swag]

Maybe. In continental Europe not so much. Here we look at morbidly obese people and have zero sympathy for them. I know that sounds cruel, but you have to understand that over here we do judge people. All the time. Even when we say we don't. We are not nearly as forgiving as Americans. And that's not always bad.

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I think it would create outrage here and newspapers and media would absolutely destroy the fatties.

Funny to say, but this is one of the things I like about Europe. We Americans are so into our own liberties to be whomever we want to be, we allow absurdity as a stand-in for freedom. So you get morbidly obese claiming the my-BMI-is-healthy bandwagon. You get people wanting to put flamethrowers in the hands of Adam Lanza, claiming his second amendment rights as an armed militia man in this country. You get people worshipping space aliens demanding non-profit tax exempt status as a religion.

But that indeed has to do with how easily the word fat has been thrown at people who may not be qualified for a catwalk but are definitely healthy. This whole fighting fat shaming campaign is ridiculous in understanding the problem, and that's why the solution they are offering is wrong and will cause bigger problems. Of course those obese people who are too lazy to have a healthy lifestyle would conveniently jump on the bandwagon and the bandwagon seems to be easily accepting them. I was working on a project about women's perceptions of body size, self-esteem and self-evaluation. Our sample was undergrad students and it was insane to see what they considered "fat" or "overweight". Not only that, many of those whose bmi was within the normal range (and even on the lower side of the normal range), were evaluating themselves as "overweight" and of course there was a correlation between such evaluations and those girls' appearance self-esteem. So there is undoubtedly a problem. Thing is, this "fighting the fat shaming" campaign is targeting the wrong audience.

Oh, good counterpoint, really. This is the dark side of fat shaming for sure. There's a reason to dismiss anyone who makes snide insults for anyone just that side of "normal". But that opens the door for a pile-up that makes absolutely no sense.

 

[lgorTudor]

The fact that people, in (one of) the most economically and technologically advanced countries in the world are seriously considering voting Trump makes me feel less angry at my people for choosing Ahmadinejad in 2006. At least we don't have a democracy and poorer less educated people formed the biggest group of his voters. Now in the US not only does this clown run for presidency, but he also seems to have a fair shot at winning the whole thing.

Ppl can't elect the president in america

 

[radekas]

Ppl can't elect the president in america

They do. It's called indirect election.

 

[Seven]

Funny to say, but this is one of the things I like about Europe. We Americans are so into our own liberties to be whomever we want to be, we allow absurdity as a stand-in for freedom. So you get morbidly obese claiming the my-BMI-is-healthy bandwagon. You get people wanting to put flamethrowers in the hands of Adam Lanza, claiming his second amendment rights as an armed militia man in this country. You get people worshipping space aliens demanding non-profit tax exempt status as a religion.

At the same time it's also kind of great that these liberties exist in the US. Ridiculous ideas get dismissed outright in Europe, but not everything that looks ridiculous at first is stupid.

All things considered though I am glad that I am not an American. From afar it looks like a daily struggle. Interesting and spectacular at times, but still a struggle.

 

[lgorTudor]

They do. It's called indirect election.

communist BS

 

[radekas]

communist BS

It's stupid but in reality of US election, it's basically the same thing as direct voting.

 

[swag]

At the same time it's also kind of great that these liberties exist in the US. Ridiculous ideas get dismissed outright in Europe, but not everything that looks ridiculous at first is stupid.

All things considered though I am glad that I am not an American. From afar it looks like a daily struggle. Interesting and spectacular at times, but still a struggle.

That's a fair and honest assessment, IMO.

 

[king Ale]

At the same time it's also kind of great that these liberties exist in the US. Ridiculous ideas get dismissed outright in Europe, but not everything that looks ridiculous at first is stupid.

All things considered though I am glad that I am not an American. From afar it looks like a daily struggle. Interesting and spectacular at times, but still a struggle.

I have been living in the US for two years now. My situation is different from a typical immigrant/citizen because I'm a student and i'm not really fully aware of struggles that an American citizen is going through but i have to say I've loved this place a lot so far. The diversity is so great you easily find yourself a part of the society. What I absolutely love about people is that they are what i'd call "so close so far". They don't care who you are or who you are from, how you look or what you wear (which is something i find really refreshing coming from Iran, people there always love to stick their nose into everybody else's business), but once they see you may need them they offer their help (which is something i'm no stranger with coming from Iran, people there also love to help others). Another thing that has struck me with the (rather small) sample of Americans i have closely interacted with is that they may seem overconfident and snobbish at first, but they are in fact very fair about knowing their abilities and weaknesses. I have had close friends from several different countries and i have yet to see people who are willing to accept their mistakes and own up to them as easily as are Americans. Lovely people, or i have been super lucky in the past two years.

 

[Maddy]

communist BS

I liek your avatar

 

[Seven]

I have been living in the US for two years now. My situation is different from a typical immigrant/citizen because I'm a student and i'm not really fully aware of struggles that an American citizen is going through but i have to say I've loved this place a lot so far. The diversity is so great you easily find yourself a part of the society. What I absolutely love about people is that they are what i'd call "so close so far". They don't care who you are or who you are from, how you look or what you wear (which is something i find really refreshing coming from Iran, people there always love to stick their nose into everybody else's business), but once they see you may need them they offer their help (which is something i'm no stranger with coming from Iran, people there also love to help others). Another thing that has struck me with the (rather small) sample of Americans i have closely interacted with is that they may seem overconfident and snobbish at first, but they are in fact very fair about knowing their abilities and weaknesses. I have had close friends from several different countries and i have yet to see people who are willing to accept their mistakes and own up to them as easily as are Americans. Lovely people, or i have been super lucky in the past two years.

I think Americans are by far the friendliest people I have ever met. And I definitely see why living in the US would be great. But I still wouldn't want to be one. I kind of like that as a Belgian you get a little bit of everything.

 

[Trequartista]

So who's voting for Deez Nuts?

 

[Maddy]

That Bernie doe.

What a man.

That Hillary doe.

What a man!

 

[Ocelot]

But these are important issues. You may not agree, but they certainly are, especially in the United States. We have a major problem with debt and illegal immigration, so it's a good thing Trump brought the latter to the table as nobody else has been discussing it.



There are a few items regarding government spending and the economy that I agree with:

1) Eliminate capital gains tax
2) Eliminate death tax
3) Impose a 20% tax on firms that outsource overseas
4) Tariffs on China and Mexico
5) Repeal Obamacare

Topics I disagree with:

1) Wall Street "pros" running the economy -- not sure if that is a good idea
2) War-like stance on other countries like China
3) Some of the immigration stuff, such as the wall (but the illegals do need to go)

The fact that you don't want Wall Street & Big Business to run the country yet you advocate zero capital gains and inheritance tax is quite baffling to say the least.

Not to mention that Trump would by a hugely incompetent president, seeing as he won't be able to accomplish anything really with his approach. The president isn't like the head of a company who can fire elected officials or civil stakeholders because they do not share his beliefs.

Moreover, what say do you have in this? I don't go around instructing you on who you should vote for in your country.

Well, you're free to weigh in on Austrian politics as well if you want to
And it's of course well within your rights to vote Trump and not give a fuck about what I think about it, but I'm also allowed also tell you that I believe that to be a horrible choice, at least the former

Btw we actually had a very similar candidate in our last parliamentary elections here in Austria, Frank Stronach; @Trequartista maybe knows him. Austrian/Canadian billionaire (who can't even really speak German properly) founded a party and got about 6% of the votes. His antics in TV discussions are really have a huge similarity to what Trump is pulling.

In the meanwhile he's disappeared to Canada already and his party is imploding, with 5 of his 11 MPs already having moved to other parties.

 

[swag]

It's stupid but in reality of US election, it's basically the same thing as direct voting.

Despite those states rights mofos that gave us the legacy of the Electoral College...

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

As much as I love spending time in the states, you also need to acknowledge that it's one of the weirdest places on Earth. Look at how morbidly obese people are complaining about fat shaming..

Forget "shaming," it gets you a television show now.

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/my-big-fat-fabulous-life/

 

[Trequartista]

The fact that you don't want Wall Street & Big Business to run the country yet you advocate zero capital gains and inheritance tax is quite baffling to say the least.

Not to mention that Trump would by a hugely incompetent president, seeing as he won't be able to accomplish anything really with his approach. The president isn't like the head of a company who can fire elected officials or civil stakeholders because they do not share his beliefs.




Well, you're free to weigh in on Austrian politics as well if you want to
And it's of course well within your rights to vote Trump and not give a fuck about what I think about it, but I'm also allowed also tell you that I believe that to be a horrible choice, at least the former

Btw we actually had a very similar candidate in our last parliamentary elections here in Austria, Frank Stronach; @Trequartista maybe knows him. Austrian/Canadian billionaire (who can't even really speak German properly) founded a party and got about 6% of the votes. His antics in TV discussions are really have a huge similarity to what Trump is pulling.

In the meanwhile he's disappeared to Canada already and his party is imploding, with 5 of his 11 MPs already having moved to other parties.

He's a douchebag, much like Trump.

 

[swag]

Forget "shaming," it gets you a television show now.

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/my-big-fat-fabulous-life/

TLC, baby: The Toddlers, Lunatics and Cake network.

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