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[ALC]

Well, Trump is trying to drag you into Gaza. So there's that.

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I don’t think trump is pushing for USA to get involved in a war with Gaza or send troops there. If anything, he’ll be happy for Israel to take over and stop sending money and humanitarian aid to Palestine since he’s getting funded by that scarecrow Miriam

would also stop sending money to Ukraine since he’s Putin’s puppet which might cause more unrest in Europe long term but less in US taxes short term.

not sure the machine which is the military industry of the US (Lockheed, Boeing etc) would like that too much tho, so only one way to find out.

 

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[Seven]

I don’t think trump is pushing for USA to get involved in a war with Gaza or send troops there. If anything, he’ll be happy for Israel to take over and stop sending money and humanitarian aid to Palestine since he’s getting funded by that scarecrow Miriam

would also stop sending money to Ukraine since he’s Putin’s puppet which might cause more unrest in Europe long term but less in US taxes short term.

not sure the machine which is the military industry of the US (Lockheed, Boeing etc) would like that too much tho, so only one way to find out.

He'd not actively pushing for it, but if you invite the leader of a country involved in a war and say you support him that's basically a promise to help him in his war.

Fortunately Trump's promise doesn't really mean anything.

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[ALC]

He'd not actively pushing for it, but if you invite the leader of a country involved in a war and say you support him that's basically a promise to help him in his war.

Fortunately Trump's promise doesn't really mean anything.

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USA is going to help Israel no matter what, Kamala and Biden will let them do whatever they want anyways, they just “disapprove “ which means nothing. Trump has his faults but let’s not act like there is a chance in hell US wouldn’t support Israel, no matter who’s in charge

 

[Bjerknes]

The Republican convention was pretty bad compared to the DNC. Very poor messaging and fear mongering. This should have been a very easy election to win for the Republicans, but they may end up losing this after all. They really need to rid themselves of these far right morons once and for all. I mean come on, these people were going to destroy the capitol building. Bring me back some low taxes and actual freedom for all.

 

[.zero]

I’ll vote for there party that ends media piracy in Italy

 

[Ronn]

Trump is kissing Brian Kemp’s ass. I don’t think I remember him doing anything like this for a GOP politician ever.

 

[Seven]

Trump is kissing Brian Kemp’s ass. I don’t think I remember him doing anything like this for a GOP politician ever.

It feels like the GOP's infatuation with Trump is over.

If he loses the election, watch them devour him.

 

[Ronn]

It feels like the GOP's infatuation with Trump is over.

If he loses the election, watch them devour him.

I wouldn’t go that far. No politicians on either side has a cult-like following like him. If he loses and decides he’s running in 2028 again he’ll be the front runner.
American parties are loosely organized. There are no party bosses left. Trump loyalists have control over RNC too.
But Kemp is a different case. In 2022 he won Governor race by 8 points while a Trump sycophant lost a senate bid in the same election. Trump himself lost Georgia in 2020. But he was stupid enough to continue attacking Kemp and calling him disloyal as recent as 2 weeks ago. He had to swallow his pride, which I don’t remember seeing before.

 

[Seven]

I wouldn’t go that far. No politicians on either side has a cult-like following like him. If he loses and decides he’s running in 2028 again he’ll be the front runner.
American parties are loosely organized. There are no party bosses left. Trump loyalists have control over RNC too.
But Kemp is a different case. In 2022 he won Governor race by 8 points while a Trump sycophant lost a senate bid in the same election. Trump himself lost Georgia in 2020. But he was stupid enough to continue attacking Kemp and calling him disloyal as recent as 2 weeks ago. He had to swallow his pride, which I don’t remember seeing before.

These things snowball.

At first there's the odd Republican criticising Trump. Then, as soon as they feel losing is more likely than winning, others will join. If he loses, the dissent will grow stronger and stronger and, inevitably, they'll reach the conclusion that really they lost because of Trump. Because if it's not Trump, it's them. And it can't be them. Then they'll use that to regroup and refocus the GOP and in doing so, they must create distance between loser Trump and themselves.

Only a very popular candidate is able to withstand these forces of political nature.

Trump is not popular. In fact, if it was up to the popular vote, we'd hardly need the elections. Everyone knows he'd lose. On top of that he's 78, overweight and in poor shape generally. If he dropped dead tomorrow, not a single physician on the face of the Earth would consider that remarkable on a medical level. The possibility of other Republicans betting on a 78 year old man (82 by the next elections!), who is not popular with the American people and has lost the presidential elections twice, is zero.

If Trump loses, he will suffer.

 

[Ronn]

These things snowball.

At first there's the odd Republican criticising Trump. Then, as soon as they feel losing is more likely than winning, others will join. If he loses, the dissent will grow stronger and stronger and, inevitably, they'll reach the conclusion that really they lost because of Trump. Because if it's not Trump, it's them. And it can't be them. Then they'll use that to regroup and refocus the GOP and in doing so, they must create distance between loser Trump and themselves.

Only a very popular candidate is able to withstand these forces of political nature.

Trump is not popular. In fact, if it was up to the popular vote, we'd hardly need the elections. Everyone knows he'd lose. On top of that he's 78, overweight and in poor shape generally. If he dropped dead tomorrow, not a single physician on the face of the Earth would consider that remarkable on a medical level. The possibility of other Republicans betting on a 78 year old man (82 by the next elections!), who is not popular with the American people and has lost the presidential elections twice, is zero.

If Trump loses, he will suffer.

Dude where have you been? Pretty much every politician Trump has worked with broke with him, from MiKe Pence to his cabinet members. Why didn’t it snowball from there? Nationally, Trump has a following more than all of them. Kemp and Georgia seem to be a special case, and only applicable to Georgia. If Kemp runs against Trump nationally he’ll lose by double digits. Much like De Santis.
Trump will take a hit if he loses, but I don’t think it’ll be enough to knock him off as GOP king.

 

[Seven]

Dude where have you been? Pretty much every politician Trump has worked with broke with him, from MiKe Pence to his cabinet members. Why didn’t it snowball from there? Nationally, Trump has a following more than all of them. Kemp and Georgia seem to be a special case, and only applicable to Georgia. If Kemp runs against Trump nationally he’ll lose by double digits. Much like De Santis.
Trump will take a hit if he loses, but I don’t think it’ll be enough to knock him off as GOP king.

Easy answer: because enough people within the party believe he is their best chance of winning.

That's no longer true, if he loses.

By 2028 he'd be an 82 year old candidate with two straight presidential election losses to his name. No one is going near that.

 

[Ronn]

Easy answer: because enough people within the party believe he is their best chance of winning.

That's no longer true, if he loses.

By 2028 he'd be an 82 year old candidate with two straight presidential election losses to his name. No one is going near that.

No that’s not true. Trump support is not rational. I never saw a bunch on truckers with Romney or McCain flags. Trump is different.

 

[Seven]

No that’s not true. Trump support is not rational. I never saw a bunch on truckers with Romney or McCain flags. Trump is different.

That's only part of Trump's support. In itself that's not enough to keep him going without support by the GOP.

 

[Ronn]

That's only part of Trump's support. In itself that's not enough to keep him going without support by the GOP.

Enough to win him primaries. Early primaries will have a field of 10+ candidates who divide the non-Trump vote. He’ll easily take %40+ of early GOP support. Just look at what happened to De Santis last year.

 

[Seven]

Enough to win him primaries. Early primaries will have a field of 10+ candidates who divide the non-Trump vote. He’ll easily take %40+ of early GOP support. Just look at what happened to De Santis last year.

Yes.

But I'm talking about what would happen to him after he loses this election. I don't see how anyone is going to support an 82 year old candidate, who lost two consecutive presidential elections. That would not look like a winning recipe to me.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Yes.

But I'm talking about what would happen to him after he loses this election. I don't see how anyone is going to support an 82 year old candidate, who lost two consecutive presidential elections. That would not look like a winning recipe to me.

The people who support him now will support him then regardless of losses. It's a literal cult, you can't apply reason to it. It's just if he loses now he will lose then too, but hey that's their problem.

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And I almost forgot, don't forget to include the religious nuts. They already live their lives around blind devotion to begin with.

 

[Seven]

The people who support him now will support him then regardless of losses. It's a literal cult, you can't apply reason to it. It's just if he loses now he will lose then too, but hey that's their problem.

Trump has a cult following, no doubt. But I don't believe that everyone who is considering to vote Trump is a cultist. That would imply that almost half America is out of their mind.I think it's more that he has a strong cult following that has dragged others down in the hope of winning.

I guess it wouldn't really matter though. An 82 year old Trump, who already lost twice, would just lose a third time.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Trump has a cult following, no doubt. But I don't believe that everyone who is considering to vote Trump is a cultist. That would imply that almost half America is out of their mind.I think it's more that he has a strong cult following that has dragged others down in the hope of winning.

Not at all of course, but personally I'd rate the number pretty high, enough to likely get him through primaries imo, considering how small that voting pool usually is and how they work in general.

 

[Ronn]

Yes.

But I'm talking about what would happen to him after he loses this election. I don't see how anyone is going to support an 82 year old candidate, who lost two consecutive presidential elections. That would not look like a winning recipe to me.

We’re going in circles. He already lost once bro. Did he lose GOP support? Not really. He didn’t even care to attend GOP debates since he knew he had it in the bag. In the current political system (primaries happening in the space of several months) he’ll have enough support to win GOP primaries again, and after that hatred for the democrats will gather everyone around his flag.
Also, there’s no clear anti-Trump alternative. De Santis thought he’s one but he fizzled out.

 

[Seven]

We’re going in circles. He already lost once bro. Did he lose GOP support? Not really. He didn’t even care to attend GOP debates since he knew he had it in the bag. In the current political system (primaries happening in the space of several months) he’ll have enough support to win GOP primaries again, and after that hatred for the democrats will gather everyone around his flag.
Also, there’s no clear anti-Trump alternative. De Santis thought he’s one but he fizzled out.

There's a pretty big difference between losing once and losing twice. Especially because he goes from 78 to 82. But I guess in that case it's all pretty irrelevant. If Trump loses this election and the GOP wants him as a candidate again, he'll just lose a third time.

Personally I believe the Republicans will recognize this reality and shift away from Trump and, quite frankly, batshit crazy policies.