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I don’t know man, prices were way better before Biden got in. We weren’t in any wars, Trump was actually making positive progress with Kim Jong in North Korea. First president to ever go there and cross the DMZ zone.

Back then corrupt politicians were kicking and screaming cause everyday in the news, Trump was doing what he wanted what was best for the country and owed money to no one.

Just last week or so these corrupt politicians just made $20 billion in selling arms and fighter jets to Israel. Pumping billions into Ukraine without taking care for the problems in our country.

JKF, Regan, and Trump our presidents or candidates that ran their own campaign without owing any money to any party. All three were either assassinated or attempted.
Prices were way better around the world before Biden got in, but I don't blame Biden for that. Covid pretty much jacked every economy.

What I would blame him for is the past year or so where the U.S. national debt levels have climbed with the Treasury dumping T-bills out the window in a ticker tape parade. But people as usual focus on the wrong things because it sounds better, even if it isn't accurate.

As for wars, we're funding a hell of a lot of proxy wars. But IMO, I'd rather that than sending troops. America does have a price to pay to hold up its global currency hegemony anyway.

So if you count actual hot wars, the U.S. is in one less one with Biden (Afghanistan). Which, as f'ed up as the exit was, was six straight presidential administrations of a massive money and dead soldier pit.

Musk is a very smart man.
He can be. But his hubris and dementia fail him. There's no rational business person who would have bid $44B on Twitter, shoot off his mouth about it in public, and then get called on it by the SEC where he had to swallow his pride and the offering price.

That was his Brexit-level financial own goal.
 

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s4tch

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It was, but the fact Trump says he had to support him now implies he needed the money.

Regardless of how you feel about Trump his money problems are very significant and they make him vulnerable to all sorts of outside influences. Personally I feel it's crazy you'd ever consider having a president who is in mountains of debt. How would he be able to serve the public's interest instead of his own in that situation?
your general point about trump and his financial issues stands, just wanted to point out that it was an inaccurate example. he's still an indebted guy

btw i'm more concerned about his personality, mental state and lack of any intelligence than his debt. latter is a consequence

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...prices were way better before Biden got in...
you might wanna consider this:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/256598/global-inflation-rate-compared-to-previous-year/

like any economy, the us economy doesn't work in a vacuum. sometimes shit happens globally. local responsibility lies in whether you are able to soften the blow or not. in hungary we couldn't. if you compare local inflation to the global and eu wide data, we did terribly. same with turkey or argentina. correct me if i'm wrong but as far as i remember the us inflation stayed below the global avg throughout the last decade
 
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Nomuken

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Democrats took too long on noticing Biden’s deteriorating state and panicked with Kamala and rolled all the campaign funds behind her. She accelerated to quickly from California (which sucked in my state) in such a short period of time, has no experience in foreign policy or relations.

Were Trump has many international relations and on foreign policy. He’s just more equipped and knows what he wants to do, and I believe we will not be at in war with Russia or North Korea if Trump is back. If Kamala wins we are chumps and push overs.

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How can she be on a cover of time magazine btw without giving an interview on of any of her proposals or policies? It’s all hot air pumping into her campaign.

If there was truly a strong real democratic candidate I would really consider it but it looks so bad, I can’t see it.

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your general point about trump and his financial issues stands, just wanted to point out that it was an inaccurate example. he's still an indebted guy

btw i'm more concerned about his personality, mental state and lack of any intelligence than his debt. latter is a consequence

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you might wanna consider this:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/256598/global-inflation-rate-compared-to-previous-year/

like any economy, the us economy doesn't work in a vacuum. sometimes shit happens globally. local responsibility lies in whether you are able to soften the blow or not. in hungary we couldn't. if you compare local inflation to the global and eu wide data, we did terribly. same with turkey or argentina. correct me if i'm wrong but as far as i remember the us inflation stayed below the global avg throughout the last decade
Yes thank you it’s indicative since Biden and Kamala took office with “bidenomics”

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Argentina are turning it around now thanks to their new brave president.
 

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Seven

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Were Trump has many international relations and on foreign policy. He’s just more equipped and knows what he wants to do, and I believe we will not be at in war with Russia or North Korea if Trump is back. If Kamala wins we are chumps and push overs.
Trump's only goal for his presidency is avoiding jail and getting rid of his debts.

His grand economic plan is weakening the dollar. Which is a great idea for someone with a lot of debt and a lot of collateral. It's just not great for you.

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your general point about trump and his financial issues stands, just wanted to point out that it was an inaccurate example. he's still an indebted guy
I phrased it poorly. I didn't mean he was in debt to Musk. I meant that his debts put him in a precarious financial situation and he needs all the money he can get, so logically his policy choices will largely depend on whoever wants to fund him. And while you'd expect a presidental candidate to hide this information, Trump has come out and said as much regarding Musk's donation.
 

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Trump's only goal for his presidency is avoiding jail and getting rid of his debts.

His grand economic plan is weakening the dollar. Which is a great idea for someone with a lot of debt and a lot of collateral. It's just not great for you.

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I phrased it poorly. I didn't mean he was in debt to Musk. I meant that his debts put him in a precarious financial situation and he needs all the money he can get, so logically his policy choices will largely depend on whoever wants to fund him.
Biden already accomplished that buddy.
 

Seven

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How can she be on a cover of time magazine btw without giving an interview on of any of her proposals or policies? It’s all hot air pumping into her campaign.
Name three policy proposals by Trump.

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Biden already accomplished that buddy.
Well, you hated Biden's economic accomplishments.

Trump has stated he intends to expand on this. He wants a weaker dollar. So if you want that too, vote Trump.
 

Seven

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Did u not see the graphic above thanks to @s4tch
The graphic showed global inflation rates. Biden does not rule the world.

Again, Trump wants a weaker dollar:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...-dollar-be-careful-what-you-wish-for-5227209d

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/07/26/economy/trump-weak-dollar/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/us/politics/trump-vance-us-dollar.html

Trump is not a complicated man. He wants a weaker dollar, because this means his debts will become less significant, while his collateral will rise. In the process it will boost inflation, but Trump isn't hurt by this. After all, he has assets which will simply go up in price.

The question is: do you want a weaker dollar?
 

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The graphic showed global inflation rates. Biden does not rule the world.

Again, Trump wants a weaker dollar:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...-dollar-be-careful-what-you-wish-for-5227209d

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/07/26/economy/trump-weak-dollar/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/us/politics/trump-vance-us-dollar.html

Trump is not a complicated man. He wants a weaker dollar, because this means his debts will become less significant, while his collateral will rise. In the process it will boost inflation, but Trump isn't hurt by this. After all, he has assets which will simply go up in price.

The question is: do you want a weaker dollar?
The image that was attached was for US INFLATION.
 

Seven

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The image that was attached was for US INFLATION.
The price of gasoline has not gone up by more than 50%:

https://www.finder.com/economics/gas-prices

I highly doubt car insurance has gone up by more than 50% too. In fact, I think all of the numbers are highly questionable.

But even so, I repeat: Trump wants a weaker dollar. A weaker dollar means that your money is worth less. A weaker dollar boosts inflation. This is good for Trump, a man with debt and assets.

Do you want a weaker dollar?
 

Nomuken

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@Seven bro it’s a fact Biden already weakened if not already destroyed the dollar. Voting for Trump is to build back the dollar Biden/Kamala destroyed, and make their own money going into global war.

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This is my state if Scamala wins
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It’s already getting there. Santa Monica already going.
 

Seven

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@Seven bro it’s a fact Biden already weakened if not already destroyed the dollar. Voting for Trump is to build back the dollar Biden/Kamala destroyed, and make their own money going into global war.

Trump does not think Biden destroyed the dollar.

In fact Trump wants to weaken the dollar, because he believes it is too strong:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...or-a-weaker-dollar-work-wall-street-doubts-it

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/why-jd-vance-wants-a-weak-dollar-is-that-a-good-idea.html

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/15/devaluing-dollar-trump-trade-war-00152009

Trump has no intention to rebuild the dollar. His entire economic plan is on doing the opposite. He wants to weaken it.

I repeat: this will be good for Trump, who has a lot of debts and a lot of assets. But, since it means the dollar will be worth less, it will boost inflation. You don't have to be an economic genius to realise this, but here's an op ed:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/16/trump-devalue-dollar-inflation-economy/

I ask you, once again: do you want a weaker dollar?
 

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Democrats took too long on noticing Biden’s deteriorating state and panicked with Kamala and rolled all the campaign funds behind her. She accelerated to quickly from California (which sucked in my state) in such a short period of time, has no experience in foreign policy or relations.
I saw it that there were two camps in the Democrat camp. One that was all-Biden-all-the-time, another that said, "This guy is too decrepit and old for another four years." Which would explain why some in the party pushed for an early debate with Trump in June. That was a deliberate setup to expose to the Democrat denialists what Democrat realists were saying all along.

As for Kamala's experience in foreign policy, ironically she has some from her famed time as "Border Czar" (though that was never the White House's words, only the media's and the GOP's). She worked mostly on business development and investment in the Golden Triangle. And while the net U.S. border effectiveness of that was next to zero, in part because the likes of Bukele cracked down hard on crime and because Venezuela grew in its national sh*tshow, apparently she did get a few international collaborations going there.

Argentina are turning it around now thanks to their new brave president.
Given that Argentina's poverty rate rose from 45% to 60% while Milei has been in office, I'd say the jury is still out on that one. At that rate, but this time next year 90% of the population of Argentina will have crossed the Darién Gap en route to surge the U.S. southern border.

Yes, Kamala did that. :hihi:

Just like Trump caused Covid.

Reminds me of the days when George Bush Sr. would blame the Democratic Congress for the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines.

@Seven bro it’s a fact Biden already weakened if not already destroyed the dollar. Voting for Trump is to build back the dollar Biden/Kamala destroyed, and make their own money going into global war.
Actually, Andries is right on this. Trump has made it a point to devalue the dollar. One main idea being to prop up the U.S. manufacturing economy for exports. It's the same motivation for domestic demand through all of the international tariffs Trump is proposing.

I'm not saying that a dollar of higher or lower value is better. It becomes a strategic decision based on what you're after, because it's always a mixed bag whether it's stronger or weaker on the global market. But I've seen nothing saying that Trump wants a strong dollar. And not just because every policy he's advocating benefits from a weaker dollar.
 
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Nomuken

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The dollar is already diminished thanks to Biden and Kamala to carry it on. Dollar was stronger before 2020. C’mon Trump is “bad with money” he knows what he’s doing.
 
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Nomuken

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Okay.

But Trump says he wants to weaken the dollar further. So if you want a weaker dollar, you should vote Trump.

Do you want a weaker dollar?
Do you want higher inflation?

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These are COVID spending bills that greatly expended money supply:
https://www.pandemicoversight.gov/about-us/pandemic-relief-program-laws
Only last 2 were signed during Biden admin. (There was also infrastructure bill but that was not significant comparing to COVID spending).
Least that money was for ur country not pumping out to other countries fighting proxy wars and no other NATO nations putting out for the bill.

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Further increasing the national debt to 30 trillion thanks to Biden and Kamala.

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If there was a better democratic candidate I would vote for one.
 

Seven

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Do you want higher inflation?
It's not easy to pinpoint which factors cause higher inflation. But intentionally devaluing the dollar is certain to lead to inflation, simply because the money is worth less but the goods you want to buy still hold the same intrinsic value. Again: Trump wants inflation on a personal level. This means his debts lose value to his creditors, while his assets go up in price. Inflation makes Trump richer. Or less poor really.

The question is: do you want a weaker dollar? If so, vote Trump.
 

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