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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I couldn't care less about the gendered language my point was that are we not in the middle of an unprecendented crisis and this is where their focus is?

Appeasing coddled zoomers who are offended by their own genitals?
To be fair it's part of the same phenomenon: we are no longer able to accept certain realities. It used to be that we accepted the biological reality of sex, we accepted that, sometimes, people got sick and died.

Of course we should strive towards endless possibilities. Who am I to object to immortality or the ability to choose your own body?

But the truth is we are nowhere near that kind of power.

And as long as we're not, we'd be wise to accept these facts as part of life.
 

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Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
75,680
So, the IRS apparently sent out millions of stimulus checks to accounts associated with tax preparers H&R Block and Turbo Tax instead of the accounts associated with the taxpayer direct deposit. :howler:


Just fucking end these guys already.
I’m Turbo Tax till I die and my check hit the bank account nye.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Incoming Georgia numbers looking extremely close as predicted.
NYT needle showing >90% likelihood of Democrats winning both seats now, based on reported numbers so far. Republican candidates underperforming pre-runoff estimates and Trump almost everywhere but the most red counties. Democrat candidates outperforming Biden most everywhere, especially Warnock. Could still be a split though as Ossof not doing quite as well.

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...BANNER&context=election_recirc#needle-regular
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,562
NYT needle showing >90% likelihood of Democrats winning both seats now, based on reported numbers so far. Republican candidates underperforming pre-runoff estimates and Trump almost everywhere but the most red counties. Democrat candidates outperforming Biden most everywhere, especially Warnock. Could still be a split though as Ossof not doing quite as well.

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...BANNER&context=election_recirc#needle-regular
I wouldn’t be happy if I lived in georgia


 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,868
NYT needle showing >90% likelihood of Democrats winning both seats now, based on reported numbers so far. Republican candidates underperforming pre-runoff estimates and Trump almost everywhere but the most red counties. Democrat candidates outperforming Biden most everywhere, especially Warnock. Could still be a split though as Ossof not doing quite as well.

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...BANNER&context=election_recirc#needle-regular
All I'm going to say is I've been misled by those needles before :p
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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They can definitely be wrong, which is why I wouldn’t say a win is definitely in the cards for Ossof, but Warnock has thrashed Loeffler. That race is over imo.
Republicans fucked up hard by getting so close to Trump. I'm left wondering what the longer term implications of it will be, but this will also heavily hinge on what Biden does if he does indeed end up with party control in both houses. This could end up being a huge long term win for Democrats if they play their cards right, which lol
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Republicans fucked up hard by getting so close to Trump. I'm left wondering what the longer term implications of it will be, but this will also heavily hinge on what Biden does if he does indeed end up with party control in both houses. This could end up being a huge long term win for Democrats if they play their cards right, which lol
The 538 live made some good points about a senate with Joe Manchin of W Virginia as the 51st vote is not a very liberal senate. But the big thing is that the dems will now decide what gets brought to the floor and voted on. So this could be a good thing as they will still have to be more moderate and centrist to pass legislation. And then judicial appointments, Biden’s cabinet picks, etc should be much more smooth.

Could be beneficial to have it this way. GOP can’t just block everything like McConnell did to Obama, but the senate isn’t too progressive to alienate even more people from the Dems.

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Dave Wasserman of Cook Political Report just called it for Ossof. :boh:


And he got the Trump style Twitter label. :lol:
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,868
The 538 live made some good points about a senate with Joe Manchin of W Virginia as the 51st vote is not a very liberal senate. But the big thing is that the dems will now decide what gets brought to the floor and voted on. So this could be a good thing as they will still have to be more moderate and centrist to pass legislation. And then judicial appointments, Biden’s cabinet picks, etc should be much more smooth.

Could be beneficial to have it this way. GOP can’t just block everything like McConnell did to Obama, but the senate isn’t too progressive to alienate even more people from the Dems.

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Dave Wasserman of Cook Political Report just called it for Ossof. :boh:


And he got the Trump style Twitter label. :lol:
Without a doubt. People see a blue "D" and their mind goes left, not even close. This is still the Congress of Pelosi and Schumer, there won't be much progressive anything coming to the floor, let alone get passed. The most you'll get is embarrassing and meaningless performance theater, the kneeling kente cloth show for example. The question really becomes:
1. How much pull does the progressive wing REALLY have here and
2. Depending on how much, if any, influence it has on legislation, can they hold onto this (possible) majority two years from now.
But ultimately, and perhaps this is unfortunately too much to ask for, but my main hope for this administration is that people have had enough of the bullshit fighting of the past decade or so and there will be actual bi-partisan work done again. But we'll see.

:disagree: They never learn. Meanwhile Warnock is claiming victory and Loeffler refusing to concede, understandable at the moment I think.
 

JuelzSantana

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Sep 28, 2017
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I agree, the Dems aren't nearly as united as they portray themselves. Biden will have a hard time balancing the progressives and moderates in his own party.

The new generation of voters are blue though, I think we might see more red states go blue over the next decades. The conservative ideas of religion, patriotism, pro-life, pro-Israel, no public health option and so on are just not going to survive.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Warnock up 50,000 votes with >98% reporting. Not even within recount territory now for Loeffler and the remaining votes are apparently from mostly Dem-leaning areas. Unless there’s something off, she should concede tomorrow. Probably won’t though as she has doubled down on the Trump nonsense rhetoric.

Ossof has passed Perdue and is up 12,750 votes now. It’s close and could conceivably change hands before it’s over, but seems pretty unlikely according to what analysts are saying about remaining votes.

Decision Desk HQ already called both races.

@AFL_ITALIA

Assuming these results hold. And a Presidential coup d’etat doesn’t succeed tomorrow and turn America into a banana republic.... From how grim things looked for the Dems on Election Day (while there obviously wasn’t some stunning blue wave), this election has to be seen as a huge win for them. Presidency, kept the house, and regained the senate. Curious to see how things look at the midterm point.

DNC should basically be worshipping at Stacey Abrams feet.
 
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Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,105
It's becoming more and more clear that the MAGA Trump base is not the way forward for the Republican party as they're just not big enough to beat the Democrats. 2016 was an out of left field fluke.
 

maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
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It's becoming more and more clear that the MAGA Trump base is not the way forward for the Republican party as they're just not big enough to beat the Democrats. 2016 was an out of left field fluke.
3/4 of Republicans think that trumpism should remain the face of the party. Trump won in 2016 because A. He wasn't a politician and B. Because he had the energy to make his base enthusiastic- something his predecessors did a very bad job of doing.
The democrat victory in my eyes was the result of a heavy 'fuck trump' vote rather than a pro-biden vote, and the pandemic had a major role to play in this as well. If the republican party could find a more polished version of trump with the same energy and all but without the twitter rage rhetoric, they would win over moderates. 'RINO's' like Mitt Romney would get nowhere with the Republicans.
This leads me to wonder who you guys think will lead the GOP in 2024? Cruz? DeSantis? Haley?
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I agree, the Dems aren't nearly as united as they portray themselves. Biden will have a hard time balancing the progressives and moderates in his own party.

The new generation of voters are blue though, I think we might see more red states go blue over the next decades. The conservative ideas of religion, patriotism, pro-life, pro-Israel, no public health option and so on are just not going to survive.
The new generation is definitely blue, but they aren't like their parents' shade of blue. Instead of blue collar factory workers, they're a bunch of entitled baristas, art history majors, and SJW's who think everything is free. So the Democrats will surely trend further towards the left as that's the way they will get the votes and remain in the office, while there will probably be a rise of more centrist Republicans for what's left of people who want some semblance of American ingenuity. Personally, I have very little hope for this country (long before the senate stuff) but at least the LGBTQ community will be able to thrive.

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3/4 of Republicans think that trumpism should remain the face of the party. Trump won in 2016 because A. He wasn't a politician and B. Because he had the energy to make his base enthusiastic- something his predecessors did a very bad job of doing.
The democrat victory in my eyes was the result of a heavy 'fuck trump' vote rather than a pro-biden vote, and the pandemic had a major role to play in this as well. If the republican party could find a more polished version of trump with the same energy and all but without the twitter rage rhetoric, they would win over moderates. 'RINO's' like Mitt Romney would get nowhere with the Republicans.
This leads me to wonder who you guys think will lead the GOP in 2024? Cruz? DeSantis? Haley?
Ivanka Trump could be possible, but it depends on how much the party hates her dad. That's pretty much it for them.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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3/4 of Republicans think that trumpism should remain the face of the party. Trump won in 2016 because A. He wasn't a politician and B. Because he had the energy to make his base enthusiastic- something his predecessors did a very bad job of doing.
The democrat victory in my eyes was the result of a heavy 'fuck trump' vote rather than a pro-biden vote, and the pandemic had a major role to play in this as well. If the republican party could find a more polished version of trump with the same energy and all but without the twitter rage rhetoric, they would win over moderates. 'RINO's' like Mitt Romney would get nowhere with the Republicans.
This leads me to wonder who you guys think will lead the GOP in 2024? Cruz? DeSantis? Haley?
Cruz has an ugly wife.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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Warnock up 50,000 votes with >98% reporting. Not even within recount territory now for Loeffler and the remaining votes are apparently from mostly Dem-leaning areas. Unless there’s something off, she should concede tomorrow. Probably won’t though as she has doubled down on the Trump nonsense rhetoric.

Ossof has passed Perdue and is up 12,750 votes now. It’s close and could conceivably change hands before it’s over, but seems pretty unlikely according to what analysts are saying about remaining votes.

Decision Desk HQ already called both races.

@AFL_ITALIA

Assuming these results hold. And a Presidential coup d’etat doesn’t succeed tomorrow and turn America into a banana republic.... From how grim things looked for the Dems on Election Day (while there obviously wasn’t some stunning blue wave), this election has to be seen as a huge win for them. Presidency, kept the house, and regained the senate. Curious to see how things look at the midterm point.

DNC should basically be worshipping at Stacey Abrams feet.
Joe Manchin about to assume power
 

campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
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The new generation is definitely blue, but they aren't like their parents' shade of blue. Instead of blue collar factory workers, they're a bunch of entitled baristas, art history majors, and SJW's who think everything is free. So the Democrats will surely trend further towards the left as that's the way they will get the votes and remain in the office, while there will probably be a rise of more centrist Republicans for what's left of people who want some semblance of American ingenuity. Personally, I have very little hope for this country (long before the senate stuff) but at least the LGBTQ community will be able to thrive.

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Ivanka Trump could be possible, but it depends on how much the party hates her dad. That's pretty much it for them.
You do realize that young people who have real degrees according to Republicans- you know, the science and technology majors, are overwhelmingly left leaning as well.
It’s hard not to, when one party shows blatant disregard for facts and science.
 

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