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I've said before I'm not a fan of Trump's antics on Twitter, but I don't think this is undermining the election when nobody can submit any new votes. If there is something reasonable to contest, then contest it. If not, move on.
I think it’s reasonable that states have right to count votes submitted by their own state mandated deadlines :agree:
 

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Bjerknes

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Regardless of that, there's a lot to do long-term. This is a very fractured nation. IF Biden wins, which obviously I hope he does, and he can't bridge that gap in any meaningful way then I'm not very confident in the future.
Biden is just an old guy who probably isn't going to be around for a while. Kamala is everything I despise in politics and I worry whether my wife will have a job in four years if this person gets her way. So no, it's impossible for them to bridge any gap with me, even speaking as a moderate.

This isn’t just on twitter though. He’s declared victory, had his surrogates declare victory, etc. He is desperately stoking the fires of civil unrest for his own petty, narcissism and egotism. It’s rather unhinged. No other way to really look at it.

It may come to nothing in the end, I hope that’s the case certainly. But given the state of things, such outright lies and fabrications from him and Giuliani amongst others is a rather dangerous game to play.
Or he just doesn't like to admit he may lose. Or his team told him he was going to win those states. Either way, the media always pushes he's trying to create civil unrest while blatantly trying to do the same thing they accuse him of, so even a broken clock is right twice.
 

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You having a heart attack yet, watching those Arizona ballots slowly get counted.... if Trump managed to turn it around there, Biden has to make the comeback in either Georgia or Penn.
Not watching at all, no point in doing so as it won't matter until it's called anyway. I get notifications from Reuters, AP, and Bloomberg once a state declares a winner anyway.
Biden is just an old guy who probably isn't going to be around for a while. Kamala is everything I despise in politics and I worry whether my wife will have a job in four years if this person gets her way. So no, it's impossible for them to bridge any gap with me, even speaking as a moderate.
What does your wife do, if you don't mind me asking?
 

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Biden is just an old guy who probably isn't going to be around for a while. Kamala is everything I despise in politics and I worry whether my wife will have a job in four years if this person gets her way. So no, it's impossible for them to bridge any gap with me, even speaking as a moderate.



Or he just doesn't like to admit he may lose. Or his team told him he was going to win those states. Either way, the media always pushes he's trying to create civil unrest while blatantly trying to do the same thing they accuse him of, so even a broken clock is right twice.
Dude making false accusations of widespread fraud and cheating isn’t at all cool. Not sure why you try to diminish how absurd and undermining of the electoral process this is. He’s the president, not some random dude on the street, and he’s out there firing off a dozen tweets and making statements about widespread fraud having stolen the election.

Everyone knows the media can also be fuckers. And they shouldn’t get a free pass when they are. But that had nothing to do with Trump undermining the integrity of and trust in your electoral process tweet by tweet, statement by statement. It’s a joke that anyone would give him a pass on this.

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And :lol: Trump campaign bitching about Michigan and talking about suing and recount there. They got trounced. Biden up 2.2% and 120,000 votes.

For reference, Trump beat Hillary there in 2016 by 11,000 votes, or 0.23%
 
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Fab Fragment

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IMHO, the GOP might have won easily if Trump hadn't been such a jerk. He managed to disenfranchise so many different conservative-minded subsets of the populace. The president's job is to unify, not divide by abusing and ridiculing anyone who dared to disagree.

So many people wanted to vote Republican but didn’t. Who wants to vote for more unions, regulations, LGBT in your face, extra taxes (although, the top 1% need to be heavily taxed and loopholes closed). I also liked that we didn’t get into any new wars in the past 4 years (but at the same time we didn’t call back our troops that were already there). I personally feel that the current Biden-Harris ticket is the weakest and uninspiring Democratic ticket in living memory. I hope that I am wrong.

The mudslinging, name calling and hate-mongering needs to stop from both sides.
 

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We have officially entered the twilight zone. Trump supporters chanting “Fox News Sucks” in Arizona, outside ballot counting centre. :lol:

Also been chanting “count the vote” after trump supporters earlier today in Michigan and Pennsylvania were chanting “stop the count”

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That's like 15-20% of the voterbase.

Same like the extreme left progressive Marxist idiots who make out similar numbers of the democratic party.

Who actively try to prohibit any right wing speaker from doing so, and disrupt lectures.


Sadly. They are the face of both party's.


What we need is 'the soft reasonable left' like Stephen Fry calls it, and the center right, as Peterson defines them.

No extremes.
Interestingly I am pro-right, but right in Europe is somehow different than in the US and most of Democrat views would fall under European right, for example conservative-liberal coalition (that won the Parliament election in Lithuania) is called center-right and to my mind that's how it should be, like you said, no extremes
 
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