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[Osman]

Have you watched the old Superman movies?The new one is weak,yes.The old ones were great.

They weren't great, first one was rather good, the rest were below average to extremely retarded (3rd one was beyond terrible, insanely crappy). I liked the first one quite a bit still, but 3 decades later and way bigger budget and considerably more competent people in the business, and its natural why the first 2 Spiderman flicks were as great as they are (though the latter is more important the first, Superman returns had record breaking budget, but sucked balls). The 3rd Spiderman one was just retarded, but the first 2 are defenitely one of the better superhero flicks to be made. First Superman was novel and quite a treat, but it was a good movie, nothing more.


But this all isnt really irrelevant, should just say dont judge Iron Man the superhero in the same way as you would someone like Superman. Totally different dynamics and scope their stories.

 

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[HelterSkelter]

Im not judging Iron man the same way id judge Superman.Superman,as a superhero,is the biggest of the lot.So you cant argue with the success Superman movies will have,even if the movie is poor.Just like Superman Returns - Poor movie,but it will make money.I like the old Superman movies as ive already said.Spiderman movies simply dont cut it for me.The 1st part was good,the 2nd part was average,and i havent seen the 3rd part.From what ive heard,ill probably like the 3rd part,as the villain seems more intersting than the Green Goblin and the awful,AWFUL Octopus.This brings me back to the argument about supervillains.Spiderman and Iron Man have weak and less charismatic villains.This is where Superman and Batman pawn them.Plus,had the fault with Iron Man only been the villain,i might not have been so harsh.But thats not the case here.The manner in which Iron Man becomes Iron Man was simply too fake for my liking.Afghanistan....they're being watched,he's asked to make a missile..and voila!he makes an Iron Suit?And on top of that the Doctor gives him an Arc Reactor?All of this..in Afghanistan,under the eye of a terrorist group?or what were they..some superhuman terrorists with all the latest technology in the world?Please.It just doesnt work for me.Superman is most 'un real' of the Superhero lot,yet his movies dont come across as fake.Iron Man's start was simply too forced IMO.It got better after that,but the poor start ruined it for me.

 

[Osman]

Iron man is a second tier superhero, but you have one clear thing in reverse. Superman has notoriously been known for having the worst and lame of villains. There is Lex Luthor and NOTHING else. He is notoriously too super powered ultimate being to have any interesting story or drama, and his villains have allways sucked. On the contrary, Batman has the best villains (and Batman is the best superhero character), and then Spiderman comes after him with several marvel villains (the Marvel superheroes mainly share their villains).


I know you are speaking in terms of the movies, and havent read some comics like me, but its comical you are saying Superman has the best villains, when he is the butt of the joke in having no story at all and no good villains whatsoever (He is popular and interesting ONLY because of his god like ultimate powers that give the ideal escapism effect on people. Otherwise his story is cliche as heck and has no interesting villains except ONE human one. I like despite all that, but lets be real).


Btw, you are really reaching it too much with the Iron Man plot to find things to criticise. Besides the movie, I dont like Iron Man or paid any attention to him (as a reader of comics), but the terrorists didnt have super human weapons nor were superterrorists. They were just an Al Qaida-esque elite rogue guerilla warriors who STOLE weapons in raids or as we saw in the movie, got it from Obie, the man who is the chairman of the worlds biggiest arms corp.

And I like Superman, but you mean to say Superman flying around the earth fast to turn back time or carrying a WHOLE isle made of Kryptonite that is SUPPOSES to kill him (this moment was a dark stain in the cinema history, a tiny piece is supposes o be lethal, but he carries a whole isle of it....), is less fake then Tony Stark THE genius engineer and scientist of his time building a clunky clumsy armour suit, when the terrorists already had provided him with all the equipment and material he needed? Seriously?

Differentiate you liking Superman more for obvious reasons, to finding empty reasons to criticise. The premises for Iron man was quite realistic and through to our times mostly (Billionaire celebrity arms dealer kidnapped by terrorists, they give him material and time to build stuff, and he is smart enough to build whatever he likes, so he builds a bulletproof armour, wow so shocking). Hardly fake or that much suspense of belief.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Iron man is a second tier superhero, but you have one clear thing in reverse. Superman has notoriously been known for having the worst and lame of villains. There is Lex Luthor and NOTHING else. He is notoriously too super powered ultimate being to have any interesting story or drama, and his villains have allways sucked. On the contrary, Batman has the best villains (and Batman is the best superhero character), and then Spiderman comes after him with several marvel villains (the Marvel superheroes mainly share their villains).


I know you are speaking in terms of the movies, and havent read some comics like me, but its comical you are saying Superman has the best villains, when he is the butt of the joke in having no story at all and no good villains whatsoever (He is popular and interesting ONLY because of his god like ultimate powers that give the ideal escapism effect on people. Otherwise his story is cliche as heck and has no interesting villains except ONE human one. I like despite all that, but lets be real).


Btw, you are really reaching it too much with the Iron Man plot to find things to criticise. Besides the movie, I dont like Iron Man or paid any attention to him (as a reader of comics), but the terrorists didnt have super human weapons nor were superterrorists. They were just an Al Qaida-esque elite rogue guerilla warriors who STOLE weapons in raids or as we saw in the movie, got it from Obie, the man who is the chairman of the worlds biggiest arms corp.

And I like Superman, but you mean to say Superman flying around the earth fast to turn back time or carrying a WHOLE isle made of Kryptonite that is SUPPOSES to kill him (this moment was a dark stain in the cinema history, a tiny piece is supposes o be lethal, but he carries a whole isle of it....), is less fake then Tony Stark THE genius engineer and scientist of his time building a clunky clumsy armour suit, when the terrorists already had provided him with all the equipment and material he needed? Seriously?

Differentiate you liking Superman more for obvious reasons, to finding empty reasons to criticise. The premises for Iron man was quite realistic and through to our times mostly (Billionaire celebrity arms dealer kidnapped by terrorists, they give him material and time to build stuff, and he is smart enough to build whatever he likes, so he builds a bulletproof armour, wow so shocking). Hardly fake or that much suspense of belief.

I never said that Superman has the best villains.Batman has the best villains hands down.Yes,Lex Luthor is the only major villain(He has other villains too btw)Superman has,but Lex Luthor as a villain,is probably second only to The Joker in terms of prominence.

No i am not trying too hard to criticize him.Becoming a Superhero is a major part of any Superhero story.If that isnt pulled off well,the story has every chance of falling flat.Batman Begins for example,was done brilliantly.Nolan did a fantastic job at showing how Bruce Wayne turned into Batman.With Tony Stark,it made me cringe.Yes i know it was a normal AlQaeda group(you apparently didnt get the sarcasm in my post),but what i found fake was an Alqaeda group having all this technology..with a genius of a scientist that they've captured.They have cameras in the cave,they keep a watch over Tony and the doctor,yet the two are able to make the Iron Suit?A Fully functional Iron Suit..without Al Qaeda noticing?Hell they dont even show how the bald guy made the Arc Reactor.Give me a break.That for me,is one of the worst Superhero beginnings ever.And that wasnt a clunky clumsy suit.Even if you thnk otherwise,the fact that he did it without the terrorists noiticing was pretty silly.

You missed the point of the previous post.Superman's story is the most un real one out of all the Superheros.Yet,the movies presented it in a good and believable manner.Never for a second have i found Superman movies fake or forced.But that was the case with Iron Man,especially the way he becomes Iron Man.No character anxiety,no depression,no edginess...and the Afghanistan bit was laughable.

Im sorry,its a poor storyline.The effects were brilliant,but they dont complement the plot.You have every right to disagree,and you obviously do,but wont make me change my opinion of the movie.

And for the record,Superman isnt my favourite superhero.Batman is the only i like most,and by a huge distance.But if i had a choice,id prefer watching a Superman movie over Spiderman or Iron Man anytime.

 

[Osman]

Glad to see you are a fellow Batman fan, the greatest superhero character quite easily (second is Spiderman), and Yeah Joker is the best villain.

But about Iron Man, well its a very simple and uncomplicated story (is a typical superhero, bit fun rich playboy turning hero story), and Tony Stark is a simple second tier superhero character. If you expected more, it means you overrate him a bit. Because he is more of an urban smaller superhero, instead of a big time one like the others.

 

[HelterSkelter]

I saw traces of Bruce Wayne in him.The money,the playboy image etc.But maybe thats just me.

 

[Osman]

No its not only uou, Tony Stark is based more or less on that early Bruce Wayne stuff, but with his own twist.

Bruce Wayne can be at times Batman putting on an act to evade suspicion of anyone ever thinking a degenerate playboy being the dark knight (example in the movie is his public stunt in Batman Begins, club scene, with the super models, fancy car and playing around in the fountain, elaborate act), while Tony Stark is just alcoholic primadonna big shot Tony who is quite public as Iron Man (thats one of the interesting aspect to see for Iron Man 2, he is unique in being very public superhero and what happens, only the Fantastic 4 are like that, but he is way more interesting then them)..

 

[Enron]

Iron Man is second rate indeed as a comic. Just by seeing the way it was marketed by Marvel. I haven't seen the movie so I can't comment.

 

[Enron]

Just watched Wall Street for the second time in two days. I have two conclusions: cheaters never win, and Gordon Gecko is an asshole.

 

[.zero]

tony starks is cool, ya he is a bruce wayne rip off but its still a cool concept. the movie will suck as predicted but it will still gross $85M-$95M on opening weekend

 

[Ahmed]

tony starks is cool, ya he is a bruce wayne rip off but its still a cool concept. the movie will suck as predicted but it will still gross $85M-$95M on opening weekend

just shows how bad 2008 has been...

 

[HelterSkelter]

No its not only uou, Tony Stark is based more or less on that early Bruce Wayne stuff, but with his own twist.

Bruce Wayne can be at times Batman putting on an act to evade suspicion of anyone ever thinking a degenerate playboy being the dark knight (example in the movie is his public stunt in Batman Begins, club scene, with the super models, fancy car and playing around in the fountain, elaborate act), while Tony Stark is just alcoholic primadonna big shot Tony who is quite public as Iron Man (thats one of the interesting aspect to see for Iron Man 2, he is unique in being very public superhero and what happens, only the Fantastic 4 are like that, but he is way more interesting then them)..

That might actually make the 2nd part more bearable for me.Plus,im hoping they're going to use some classic Iron Man villains in there.

 

[V]

I wanna see a Zagor flic.

 

[HelterSkelter]

I want to see a Silver Hawks flick.

 

[V]

I want to see a Silver Hawks flick.

Never heard of it.

 

[HelterSkelter]

 

[Osman]

tony starks is cool, ya he is a bruce wayne rip off but its still a cool concept. the movie will suck as predicted but it will still gross $85M-$95M on opening weekend

The movie DOESNT suck, it has suprised movie goers in general (who didnt expect much or know if it would be more then average) and has been a hit critique wise. If it sucked, it would have been lambasted and mocked like Daredevil (same director in this movie, but not his fault it sucked), but instead its so popular its gets overrated in Imdb.com and gets 8.5 rating. So yeah, its has been well received.

 

[Zé Tahir]

V, have you seen Brot II?

 

[.zero]

I want to see a Silver Hawks flick.

Word! I remember watching that show as a kid!! It would make a pretty dope flick

The movie DOESNT suck, it has suprised movie goers in general (who didnt expect much or know if it would be more then average) and has been a hit critique wise. If it sucked, it would have been lambasted and mocked like Daredevil (same director in this movie, but not his fault it sucked), but instead its so popular its gets overrated in Imdb.com and gets 8.5 rating. So yeah, its has been well received.

Like I said, it will gross somewhere between 85-95M opening weekend as most marvel flims have been doing (with the exception of Spiderman which broke all records at like $114M I believe). But you fail to realize that a films staying power and quality is not measured by the opening weekends numbers, its judged by its longevity. Trust me when I say that any film that uses animation or CGI, etc.. Will do more than fairly well but that doesn't make the movie good. I love the Ironman franchise (comics, etc..) but this film is just another attempt by hollywood to bank off the dumb public. It ruins the glory of their long established franchises and leaves a bad taste in comic book fans mouths such as mine.

I agree that daredevil was a flop (I have yet to waste time watching it) as well as ghostrider and the hulk. I personally think that the Dark Knight will be the best film of the summer. I will definitely not thrash that one, especially after seeing the 8min preview.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Has anyone seen the new trailer for The Dark Knight?If you think the 1st one was good,then watch the 2nd one.Its even better.I didnt know that they had released a 2nd one until Eddy told me about it.

PS.Ive heard a Thundercats movie is being made.It'll be released in 2010.That should be interesting.