Moise Kean (49 Viewers)

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Let's say he turns out to be a star, are we ever gonna match what EPL teams would be offering for him? Probably no.

If he doesn't turn out to be a star, he either just stays at Everton, or in case they want to offload him - we wouldn't be interested anyway.

So what's the point in such a clause? A buyback like RM did with Morata would have been great, this is just pointless imo.
For sure direct recompra is better. I wanted to know if our management at all attempted to insert at least some kind of backdoor, or they really value Kean only that much.
 

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Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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i very seriously doubt this about us not belieivng he has talent. imo kean likely does not want to renew and we stupidly let him get this close to expiration.

If kean wants to leave then fine but he should've come into last season with a contract renewal.
He has talent but not enough. If we wanted to keep him, we would have. Do you think Everton can offer him better deal than what we could have or that he would choose to go there over staying here? Nonsense. We, not Kean, made this decision. We might be completely wrong or he will be just one among many overly hyped youth player. Imagine Juve selling Rugani last year or before. They would be absolutely right and everyone wants him out now, but back then they would get crucified
 

Bjerknes

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He has talent but not enough. If we wanted to keep him, we would have. Do you think Everton can offer him better deal than what we could have or that he would choose to go there over staying here? Nonsense. We, not Kean, made this decision. We might be completely wrong or he will be just one among many overly hyped youth player. Imagine Juve selling Rugani last year or before. They would be absolutely right and everyone wants him out now, but back then they would get crucified
WTF else did you want from the kid last year?
 

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Sep 4, 2006
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He has talent but not enough. If we wanted to keep him, we would have. Do you think Everton can offer him better deal than what we could have or that he would choose to go there over staying here? Nonsense. We, not Kean, made this decision. We might be completely wrong or he will be just one among many overly hyped youth player. Imagine Juve selling Rugani last year or before. They would be absolutely right and everyone wants him out now, but back then they would get crucified
you are missing the point. its not about Everton offering him more money. Maybe he wants out after he was racially abused by Cagliari fans while the Italian media, the club etc didn't seem to take it very seriously. In fact a senior player in the team said it was 50% his fault.

imo that's likely why he is leaving. Because he has refused to resign after that incident. Its the only reason this deal makes sense.
 

PhRoZeN

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Mar 29, 2006
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To say there were no attempts made to renew his contract is false. There were rumours in October last year and then there were some in March of a renewal agreed.

So who's to blame we'll never know, did we do the right thing? Yes. Did we do it well? Hell No.

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Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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you are missing the point. its not about Everton offering him more money. Maybe he wants out after he was racially abused by Cagliari fans while the Italian media, the club etc didn't seem to take it very seriously. In fact a senior player in the team said it was 50% his fault.

imo that's likely why he is leaving. Because he has refused to resign after that incident. Its the only reason this deal makes sense.
This is far fetched and a bit ridiculous. Sorry
 

Liviu

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Jan 10, 2015
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It should be obvious that in England players are valued much more than in Italy.
Wan bisaka 50 mil , oxlade Chamberlain 40 , Maguire 90.
As always the price is made by how demanded the player actually is.
In kean's case you could demand 60 or 80 and a buy back clause but if no one doesn't offer that ,then what?
Remember he walks for free in 6 months time and the only way we can keep him is to offer him a starting spot( reports of refusing arsenal because he would be the 3rd wheel same as in juve).
Why everyone says that management didn't try to keep him is beyond me.Reports of a salary of 2.3 mil. Appeared in April or may.It is obvious that kean didn't want to be a bench player and he and raiola decided it is time to go.
Kean didn't want to wait 1,2.3,...n years for juve to give him the chance to be a starter.
We obviously could have given him some 6 7 mil. a year but as a bench player that would be counteproductive.
Management failed to address this properly by not extending his contract last year, you don't wait until a player has 15 months on his contract because then the player has too much power. It's a shame cause all our forwards are old and some are on the exit door...he would have played more. All this negative vibe would go away if there would have been a buy-back clause. That's the most annoying part - Real made us accept a BB for Morata but we can't make dem nobodies at Everflop accept one...
 

kappa96

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Jun 20, 2018
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Management failed to address this properly by not extending his contract last year, you don't wait until a player has 15 months on his contract because then the player has too much power. It's a shame cause all our forwards are old and some are on the exit door...he would have played more. All this negative vibe would go away if there would have been a buy-back clause. That's the most annoying part - Real made us accept a BB for Morata but we can't make dem nobodies at Everflop accept one...
Agree it could be argued why they didn't extend his contract but we also can't know for sure if they did try or not, or maybe they did try and kean and raiola said no that time too.
I guess is not that out of the ordinary for kean and raiola to wait and see how juve treats him.
We can say for certain only that If juve said to Kean that he is going to be a starter next season he would have signed the extension.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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He's italian, if he was a foreigner that maybe might influence his decision but otherwise I doubt it
Him coming from our youth system makes it even easier for us. Which youth player wouldnt dream of playing at our stadium? Imagine training every day at Juventus youth selections and the thoughts going through your head. Going to Everton isnt one for sure :lol: Imho Everton had to offer him much better terms, than we were for him to even contemplate moving. He left his country, family, friends, everyone he grew up with, to move to England. Not an easy choice to make
 

kappa96

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Jun 20, 2018
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Him coming from our youth system makes it even easier for us. Which youth player wouldnt dream of playing at our stadium? Imagine training every day at Juventus youth selections and the thoughts going through your head. Going to Everton isnt one for sure :lol: Imho Everton had to offer him much better terms, than we were for him to even contemplate moving. He left his country, family, friends, everyone he grew up with, to move to England. Not an easy choice to make
I think raiola had a hand in this.
Kean basically decided that it is better to start for everton ,then start here and there for juve or wait for his chance to break into the first team.
Career wise it is a good move for him, because he gets to showcase his skills in the most hyped up league and arguably the best league right now.
If he makes it he is going to be swimming in money.
The downside is that our squad tends to keep players down to earth.We have legends in the team that went through a lot, can offer good advice and their experience.
At everton he can easily become a loose cannon just like his role model.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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I think raiola had a hand in this.
Kean basically decided that it is better to start for everton ,then start here and there for juve or wait for his chance to break into the first team.
Career wise it is a good move for him, because he gets to showcase his skills in the most hyped up league and arguably the best league right now.
If he makes it he is going to be swimming in money.
The downside is that our squad tends to keep players down to earth.We have legends in the team that went through a lot, can offer good advice and their experience.
At everton he can easily become a loose cannon just like his role model.
Career wise it is a poor move, because he wont get to play CL which is the pinnacle of club football. Unless he breaks through, scores tons of goals and moves to one of the top 4 clubs. And that is at least few years away. This is mostly around money and Juve not offering nearly enough.

My two bits: he started well, at one point he had incredible goal to minute ratio. He has a good movement inside the box, sense for positioning. He can score, provided he gets a lot of support. Therein lies his problem though. To get to elite category, you need bigger variety of skills. His technique is poor, he cant control the ball without having his head down, looks clumsy when in possession. When we basically had nothing to play for, he couldnt get himself on a scoresheet any longer. Not for his lack of trying though, but because he cant drag the team forward and make things happen on his own. If he was an extra talent, he would have continued banging goals. That would make him indispensable. He looked useless out there, sticking like a soar thumb... Might become a good squad player but not the one Id lose my sleep over. Could we have got more money? Maybe. But with him being in the last year of contract, we didnt have much leverage

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Paratici can't be that bad
Oh he is pretty bad though. To his defense badass jinxed the hell out of him. I feel most of the vitriol around here is aimed at badass, not Paratici. Badass needs to cool down a bit :p
 
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kappa96

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Career wise it is a poor move, because he wont get to play CL which is the pinnacle of club football. Unless he breaks through, scores tons of goals and moves to one of the top 4 clubs. And that is at least few years away. This is mostly around money and Juve not offering nearly enough.

My too bits: he started well, at one point he had incredible goal to minute ratio. He has a good movement inside the box, sense for positioning. He can score, provided he gets a lot of support. Therein lies his problem though. To get to elite category, you need bigger variety of skills. His technique is poor, he cant control the ball without having his head down, looks clumsy when in possession. When we basically had nothing to play for, he couldnt get himself on a scoresheet any longer. Not for his lack of trying though, but because he cant drag the team forward and make things happen on his own. If he was an extra talent, he would have continued banging goals. That would make him indispensable. He looked useless out there, sticking like a soar thumb... Might become a good squad player but not the one Id lose my sleep over. Could we have got more money? Maybe. But with him being in the last year of contract, we didnt have much leverage
I saw that too.He dribbles and moves the ball forward with his head down.He can improve on it though.
I think that is his plan: "Go to Everton score bunch of goals, transfer, money".
Carrer wise i think is good for him because he gets to start.
 

PhRoZeN

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Mar 29, 2006
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Career wise it is a poor move, because he wont get to play CL which is the pinnacle of club football. Unless he breaks through, scores tons of goals and moves to one of the top 4 clubs. And that is at least few years away
He's 19! This is a great career move for him better than staying here. His gonna be hitting it high in EPL and watch his price tag rise to 80m in next season or 2.

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