Milan's Victory Exposes Premier League Myth? (2 Viewers)

Alfio_87

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Nov 21, 2005
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#21
I love Craig Foster his a aussie thats is as passionate in football as in anyone, but his knowledge of english totally outways his knowledge of italian football like alot of australians really! Ask him how to keep the ball and he wouldnt have a clue where to start.. But he is spot on but maybe he got some help from his european counterparts!
 

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Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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#22
But you have got to say Manure were amazingly lucky during that match. Every attacking foray they dealt turned into goal. I honestly consider that a fluke more than anything else.
While i think it wont happen again even if they play each other 10 times.I wouldnt go as far as calling it a fluke.Man Utd completely outclassed Roma that day.De Rossi and Pizarro were utterly outclassed by Giggs and Carrick who completely controlled the midfield and allowed Rooney and Ronaldo to shine.

For me it was more effeciency than fluke.Man Utd proved this season how important goals from the midfield are.I look at their squad and you cant help but think that anyone can score.From Ronaldo,Giggs,Scholes to Rooney,Saha and even Ole.

I don't agree as even you said yourself the game was won in midfield, which it was. Manure had a full squad in midfield yet could do nothing about Kaka and Pirlo, and even they were lucky to win at Old Trafford. Milan was the better team on both occasions as they are the better team... partly because they know how to keep the ball.
Well to be honest Milan lost the midfield battle to Liverpool in the final.But still managed to win the game,thanks to their counterattacks and their defence holding on

I might get some stick for this but IMO Man Utd mastered counterattacks more than anyone else last season. and their defence is pretty good when they're all fully fit.So i dont see why they couldnt have won,if they had a stronger defence against Milan.Now i'm not saying they would have won had Rio and co been available.I'm just saying that Man Utd's absences contributed alot to their loss.And had they been around things might(might being the operative word) have been different.


The author may look far too much into MIlan to prove his point, however everybody knows that the "English" sort of game does not work in the Champions League. And such a league is comparable to the world stage as every sort of tactic is applied to the Europeam Cup. Manunre's tactics might work in the Prem, but in Europe they fail consistently.
I think that Man Utd's tactics are more flexible than you give them credit for(at least last season).

IMO They arent one dimensional as the writer says..Carrick,Scholes and even Giggs help control the tempo for them.And IMO they play a possesion based game in europe,and try to turn up the pace whenever they can.




The only clubs to break the stereotype in England are those clubs led by foreign managers... Benitez and Mourinho. They actually make sense with their tactics. Everybody else does not.
Pool are successful because they have an intelligent manager... who is anything but English. That's why they are successful.

People don't like to admit that, but this is the case regarding the EPL nowadays. The league has climed these heights because of foreign investments and foreign faces at a managerial and player level, which is not English. The latter love to brag about their league, but they should realize that their best clubs are really not English
I never said otherwise.Although i think that only Chelsea has improved due to foreign investments out of the big 4.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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#23
Amazing, this article further proves my point on how Barcelona are also one-dimensional and their CL victory last year was luck. Barcelona operate on one tempo and one dimension (only attacking). They do hold possession but they do it most of the time like headless chicken.
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
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#24
I love Craig Foster his a aussie thats is as passionate in football as in anyone, but his knowledge of english totally outways his knowledge of italian football like alot of australians really! Ask him how to keep the ball and he wouldnt have a clue where to start.. But he is spot on but maybe he got some help from his european counterparts!
:p tony palombo
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
41,113
#25
Amazing, this article further proves my point on how Barcelona are also one-dimensional and their CL victory last year was luck. Barcelona operate on one tempo and one dimension (only attacking). They do hold possession but they do it most of the time like headless chicken.
I'd say there problem is that they have a poor poor manager in rijkaard.But they're players headless chicken??They're the best passing team in the world
 
Apr 12, 2004
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#26
Amazing, this article further proves my point on how Barcelona are also one-dimensional and their CL victory last year was luck. Barcelona operate on one tempo and one dimension (only attacking). They do hold possession but they do it most of the time like headless chicken.
Anytime a team holds posession they must be on the attack, that is just the principle of the game. Without posession, you are on the defensive...same as in basketball, or baseball, or football or rugby. If you have the ball you are on the offensive.
 

Red

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ßömßäяdîëя;1390135 said:
Anytime a team holds posession they must be on the attack, that is just the principle of the game. Without posession, you are on the defensive...same as in basketball, or baseball, or football or rugby. If you have the ball you are on the offensive.
Technically yes, but there are times when a team, especially when winning, will just keep the ball for the sake of it with no intention of mounting a serious attack.
 
Oct 3, 2004
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#29
I slightly disagree with this article, as it is being a bit too harsh on Man United. No doubt Milan were superior on the night. But Man United had their own injury problems, and were trying to maintain at treble winning season.

As for Milan-Liverpool, one would say Liverpool were unlucky not to win as their finishing was poor on the night. That's not to take anything away from Milan who had a better second half, so it was quite an even CL final.

Bottom line, it's not about just maintaining ball possession, it's what you do with your possession. You can dominate possession all night, when suddenly you get scored against on the counter; Catenaccio anyone?
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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#31
Speaking of which,check this comment about Abidal on Milan

Milan interest? It is true," Abidal told L'Equipe. "AC Milan is a very great club, but today Italy is not my aim. Maybe when I am older I will change my mind.

:wth: :D
 

francesco

Till death do us part!
Jul 25, 2006
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#34
tony palumbo is just a dickhead, sure he has great knowledge of the game but thats his job. he never has anything good to say about italian football, i find him trying too hard to impress people with his bullshit talk...i simply dont like him at all, or fozzie. les murray and orsatti are the legends on sbs
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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#35
ßömßäяdîëя;1389780 said:
Molly Hatcher knows great tactics.
Oh, I almost thought you said Teri Hatcher. :)

I slightly disagree with this article, as it is being a bit too harsh on Man United. No doubt Milan were superior on the night. But Man United had their own injury problems, and were trying to maintain at treble winning season.

As for Milan-Liverpool, one would say Liverpool were unlucky not to win as their finishing was poor on the night. That's not to take anything away from Milan who had a better second half, so it was quite an even CL final.

Bottom line, it's not about just maintaining ball possession, it's what you do with your possession. You can dominate possession all night, when suddenly you get scored against on the counter; Catenaccio anyone?
Bottom line, neither Milan nor Liverpool have been able to crack the top two of their respective leagues for the past two seasons. Enough said right there.
 

ararossi

Junior Member
Jun 6, 2007
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#38
not true as liverpool and milan were the best two teams in essentialy a cup competiton they knocked the good teams such as man u, barcelona chelsea so they have the right to be in the final.However the interesting point is that if teams are in a very competitive league such as epl, ligue or serie a no disrespect to the rest it is difficult to win both the champion league and domestic league at one go.The bottom line for league is consistency wherelse for the champions league at least for the knock out stages is just over two legs but that in no ways devalues this great competiton but i hope that uefa would reduce the no of particapants just like back in the good ol days perhaps to just the winner and runner-up or even just the winner so that u dont have teams just aiming or fighting to qualify for this tournament and not being consistent enough to challenge the domestic leagues.
 

white_rabbit

Senior Member
Apr 9, 2006
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#39
EPL game is pretty simple pass run shoot
seireA is complex formations and stregies

for me .... if i wanted simple football i would go out to the steet and watch the kids play
 

JuveGER

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Mar 10, 2006
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#40
Speaking of which,check this comment about Abidal on Milan

Milan interest? It is true," Abidal told L'Equipe. "AC Milan is a very great club, but today Italy is not my aim. Maybe when I am older I will change my mind.

:wth: :D
Milan would probably play Abidal in the Primavera, considering that he is not 35 yet ;)
 

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