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Robee

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I work in video coordination (essentially a combination of scouting and analytics) in another sport, and there literally isnt one scout in my field that gets paid millions, and its actually the ones in the analytic departments that are more desired for executive positions. I dont know how it works in football, but I'd be surprised if it were much different. Pretty much all professional sports teams lean more on analytics now than ever before. The more data, the better. Dont know why you seem so against that concept. The eye test for the most part just tells us what we want it to. It's also hard to be a completely impartial observer imo, especially when you dont have full access to gameplans, medical reports, etc.
No? Paratici. End of discussion.

And I'm not against data... I'm against leaning on it more heavily than actually looking at the complete picture.

That obscure swedish or danish (?) team only uses data for their tranqfers, for years now. Yeah, they suck.
 

DanielSz

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No? Paratici. End of discussion.

And I'm not against data... I'm against leaning on it more heavily than actually looking at the complete picture.

That obscure swedish or danish (?) team only uses data for their tranqfers, for years now. Yeah, they suck.
Paratici isn’t a scout, he is an executive, and he definitely wasn’t making millions in Sampdoria in the beginning of his career when he was head scout or whatever his position was.

And data helps a lot more with the complete picture than an “eye test” like how is this even a debate
 

Robee

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Paratici isn’t a scout, he is an executive, and he definitely wasn’t making millions in Sampdoria in the beginning of his career when he was head scout or whatever his position was.

And data helps a lot more with the complete picture than an “eye test” like how is this even a debate
Now yeah but he came through as a scout and made his name and millions as that.

It doesn't and it's exactly why the richest team doesn't win everything and teams like Man United can seriously drop off or do you think someone's tampering with their data?

The concept of how Paratici and Marotta evaluated their players for us should say enough; looking at their character in team and family setup, etc... There are way too many influencing factors for it to be looked at so simplistic.
 

DanielSz

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Tak!

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You need data but everyone has it. It's not really about using data, it's about the analytical skills of the person. It's not like everyone having access to the same data will come to the same conclusion. Everyone will spot different patterns, highlight different aspects and interpret it differently and thereby reach different conclusions. It will always come down to analytical skills as what separates managements. Scouts are needed to find and validate talent, data can help get another picture or to reject/confirm/complement analysis of the scout. Scouts will never become obscure because they can see talent masked in data points or they can, having a complete picture of the club and contemporary needs, find solutions that can be complicated to find in data points. Same can be said with data but coming from a different end and from "knowing what to look for" for a specific problem. But even then you will need the scout to confirm/reject/complement that picture.
That is my take in a short version. Both are needed.

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I could add, which I can only speculate in because I do not know how this works in reality. But I would guess scouts also help establish relationships to players/agents/clubs.
 
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Akshen

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Pretty sure he has suspended in the past for fighting with teammates.

He is a nut case, not as bad as Balo or Cassano but still unstable. It's why he bounced out Manchester and Barcelona.
At Barca his only problem were minor injuries, besides that he did quite good. I wouldn't say he has failed there, right now he is pushed only because of Lewandowski. Their fans mainly think of him as a good player, not world beater but very useful.
 

Scottish

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You need data but everyone has it. It's not really about using data, it's about the analytical skills of the person. It's not like everyone having access to the same data will come to the same conclusion. Everyone will spot different patterns, highlight different aspects and interpret it differently and thereby reach different conclusions. It will always come down to analytical skills as what separates managements. Scouts are needed to find and validate talent, data can help get another picture or to reject/confirm/complement analysis of the scout. Scouts will never become obscure because they can see talent masked in data points or they can, having a complete picture of the club and contemporary needs, find solutions that can be complicated to find in data points. Same can be said with data but coming from a different end and from "knowing what to look for" for a specific problem. But even then you will need the scout to confirm/reject/complement that picture.
That is my take in a short version. Both are needed.

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I could add, which I can only speculate in because I do not know how this works in reality. But I would guess scouts also help establish relationships to players/agents/clubs.
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Stats are information, but deciding if a player is a worthy transfer target requires analysis of that data, which in turn requires an understanding of playstyle, player tendencies, player mentality and various other intangibles - and whether all of that makes them a good fit for the profile of player desired by the manager and a good fit for the squad. All of that is the part of the picture you can't rely on stats alone to understand.

As a professional sport there is clearly a lot of data and statistical analysis applied in football but within 90 minutes on the pitch there is plenty of space for creativity, chaos and outliers - wayward passes, perfectly timed runs, deflections, refereeing errors and the like. It's science but it's not exact, there's room for art too.
 
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Gigiventus

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At Barca his only problem were minor injuries, besides that he did quite good. I wouldn't say he has failed there, right now he is pushed only because of Lewandowski. Their fans mainly think of him as a good player, not world beater but very useful.
He is not pushed out because of Lewandowski or minor injuries.

They have Depay in their team, during a moment of transition, and they are considering rescinding his contract and not making anything from such a player. He IS good and useful, he is also mostly a misfit that Xavi doesn't want to deal with. Demebele has cemented his role, Depay didn't, otherwise we would see him on the left and Lewa in the center as starters.
 

Alin

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Don’t really want him tbh but we will probably be needing him, we are very thin in terms of players capable of scoring goals regularly, could bring a spark of creativity as well, just hope his moody character and walking on the pitch won’t come in between his performances and relation with the club, also his overall injury history isn’t very encouraging either but could likely still make it work here, we anyway repeatedly rotating injured players around.
 

KirilovBG

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Memphis Depay update. Juventus are getting closer to an agreement with Depay’s camp, talks are progressing well - positive contact also today⏳️⚪️⚫️
⚜️Two year deal discussed - waiting for the official documents in the next days‼️⏳️
No Spurs, no Turkish clubs in the race‼️
ℹ️ Fabrizio Romano
 

DanielSz

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Memphis Depay update. Juventus are getting closer to an agreement with Depay’s camp, talks are progressing well - positive contact also today⏳️⚪️⚫️
⚜️Two year deal discussed - waiting for the official documents in the next days‼️⏳️
No Spurs, no Turkish clubs in the race‼️
ℹ️ Fabrizio Romano
So is this actually happening? Is Barca gonna terminate his contract?

Looks like Agresti is reporting the same as Romano

 

Akshen

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Gerard Romero is reporting Barca will soon release one player on moderate wages in order to unlock registring new players, my bet it will be Depay.
 
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