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maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
3,766
Next year we'll win the scudetto (as we would have this year with Vlahovic being here from the beginning of the season) and if not Max should go imo.

And yeah, we have quite a lot of shite players. Unbelievable if you can't see that.
Once again, not shite enough to not be competing for the scudetto. This is not about needing Vlahovic, and even still he had him for half a season. Yes this team has room for improvement, but no excuses for a team of this quality to be fighting it out for 4th with Roma.
 

IlCapitano

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2012
5,614
Next year we'll win the scudetto (as we would have this year with Vlahovic being here from the beginning of the season) and if not Max should go imo.

And yeah, we have quite a lot of shite players. Unbelievable if you can't see that.
He absolutely should not go. Serie A challenge is the minimum, but to expect him to win it with so many problems in the team still left to be solved is not fair.

Inter still have a far superior team and Milan will possibly invest big too, it is too early to set demands and expectation until we see our mercato.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,029
The important for me is to see a steady progress. If we finish 2nd for example next season but our game improves, we start creating more, play more fluidly, get to at aleast QF in the CL, then he gets a pass. If we see the similar issues like this year and no progress at all, then it will be time to move on.

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Once again, not shite enough to not be competing for the scudetto. This is not about needing Vlahovic, and even still he had him for half a season. Yes this team has room for improvement, but no excuses for a team of this quality to be fighting it out for 4th with Roma.
We have played 23 games in Serie A without Vlahovic. In the end Vlahic might play 15 games, which is 39% of total Serie A games. This isnt half.

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Does this mean u wont spam here for a year? :shocked:
 
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juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
The important for me is to see a steady progress. If we finish 2nd for example next season but our game improves, we start creating more, play more fluidly, get to at aleast QF in the CL, then he gets a pass. If we see the similar issues like this year and no progress at all, then it will be time to move on.

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We have played 23 games in Serie A without Vlahovic. In the end Vlahic might play 15 games, which is 39% of total Serie A games. This isnt half.

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Does this mean u wont spam here for a year? :shocked:
Easier said than done with the type of players we are potentially losing Dybala Morata chiellini bernadeschi and a question mark on de ligt.Hopefully the Italian juve project takes off with Raspadori Palmieri and jorginho.
 

Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
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https://www.marca.com/claro-mx/futb...drid/2022/04/22/6262becfe2704ea2648b45ee.html

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The highest percentage of wins
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti: 74/25
2⃣ Pep Guardiola 72/67
3⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 68/77
4⃣ Pochettino 67/09
5⃣ Thomas Tuchel 63/53
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Lowest loss percentage
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 13/77
2⃣ Thomas Tuchel 14/12
3⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 14/51
4⃣ Pep Guardiola 14/55
5⃣ Jürgen Klopp 16/17
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The lowest percentage of goals received
1⃣ Thomas Tuchel 0/72
2⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 0.75
3⃣ Diego Simeone 0/77
4⃣ Pep Guardiola 0/81
5⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 0.87
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Average scoring per game
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 2/53
2⃣ Pep Guardiola 2/43
3⃣ Pochettino 2/16
4⃣ Jürgen Klopp 2/09
5⃣ Gasperini 1/96
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Percentage of goals scored per game
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 89/82
2⃣ Pep Guardiola 88/95
3⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 88/64
4⃣ Pochettino 08/08
5⃣ Thomas Tuchel 85/88
 
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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,029
Easier said than done with the type of players we are potentially losing Dybala Morata chiellini bernadeschi and a question mark on de ligt.Hopefully the Italian juve project takes off with Raspadori Palmieri and jorginho.
Losing Bernadeschi will have almost a positive impact. We wont miss his few g+a during the course of the season. Saying that his numbers are underwhelming would be an understatement. Hes simply become a bad football player, more detrimental to a team.

We can and should do better than Morata. There are bound to be more consistent players with higher aversion to getting caught in an offside position. Few times is ok but when your goals are consistently rulled out for offside, then you lack basic intelligence to time in your runs behind defenders.

With Dybala there is a problem that in current football he can hardly fit in any top team unless you are building a team around him and he isnt that good to make as many sacrifices.

At one point we will have to draw the line and make judgments. Certainly not after 1st season, when we lost a player that would guarantee 25-30 goals per year. Or losing Chiesa, 2nd best player, due to injury. But after his 2nd season we will have more clue if he can move this team forward and I think he will get more of a say in forthcoming mercato.
 
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DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,648

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https://www.marca.com/claro-mx/futb...drid/2022/04/22/6262becfe2704ea2648b45ee.html

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The highest percentage of wins
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti: 74/25
2⃣ Pep Guardiola 72/67
3⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 68/77
4⃣ Pochettino 67/09
5⃣ Thomas Tuchel 63/53
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Lowest loss percentage
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 13/77
2⃣ Thomas Tuchel 14/12
3⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 14/51
4⃣ Pep Guardiola 14/55
5⃣ Jürgen Klopp 16/17
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The lowest percentage of goals received
1⃣ Thomas Tuchel 0/72
2⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 0.75
3⃣ Diego Simeone 0/77
4⃣ Pep Guardiola 0/81
5⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 0.87
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Average scoring per game
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 2/53
2⃣ Pep Guardiola 2/43
3⃣ Pochettino 2/16
4⃣ Jürgen Klopp 2/09
5⃣ Gasperini 1/96
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Percentage of goals scored per game
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 89/82
2⃣ Pep Guardiola 88/95
3⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 88/64
4⃣ Pochettino 08/08
5⃣ Thomas Tuchel 85/88
Not too bad :boh:
 

campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
16,817
Once again, not shite enough to not be competing for the scudetto. This is not about needing Vlahovic, and even still he had him for half a season. Yes this team has room for improvement, but no excuses for a team of this quality to be fighting it out for 4th with Roma.
What? Our team was a disaster at the start of the season. The loss of Ronaldo was devastating as we had no goal scorers. The constant absence of Dybala and later Chiesa made it worse. At one point we were 16 points behind Milan and Napoli, and 7 behind 4th place Atalanta. It’s a miracle that we were even in the scudetto conversation for a brief amount of time. Of course, as a Juve fan I want us to win every single game and trophy, but realistically top 4 was always our goal after the start we had to the season. Top 4 is crucial, because without it we are doomed financially, whereas not winning the scudetto this year won’t really affect the clubs future vs say a third place finish.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,648
Sure.

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Once again, not shite enough to not be competing for the scudetto. This is not about needing Vlahovic, and even still he had him for half a season. Yes this team has room for improvement, but no excuses for a team of this quality to be fighting it out for 4th with Roma.
Can't just only look at the quality of every single player. You also have to look at just how poorly the "team" was built by Tici. There seems to be no plan behind it whatsoever.

Since we got Ronaldo Plusvalenza deals were more imortant than finding players that actually fit together/complement each other.

What we got instead were a bunch of randomers, because they either were free or we could get them through shady deals (Arthur/Pjanic)
 
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Mar 9, 2006
29,039
What? Our team was a disaster at the start of the season. The loss of Ronaldo was devastating as we had no goal scorers. The constant absence of Dybala and later Chiesa made it worse. At one point we were 16 points behind Milan and Napoli, and 7 behind 4th place Atalanta. It’s a miracle that we were even in the scudetto conversation for a brief amount of time. Of course, as a Juve fan I want us to win every single game and trophy, but realistically top 4 was always our goal after the start we had to the season. Top 4 is crucial, because without it we are doomed financially, whereas not winning the scudetto this year won’t really affect the clubs future vs say a third place finish.
Just stop.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382

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https://www.marca.com/claro-mx/futb...drid/2022/04/22/6262becfe2704ea2648b45ee.html

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The highest percentage of wins
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti: 74/25
2⃣ Pep Guardiola 72/67
3⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 68/77
4⃣ Pochettino 67/09
5⃣ Thomas Tuchel 63/53
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Lowest loss percentage
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 13/77
2⃣ Thomas Tuchel 14/12
3⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 14/51
4⃣ Pep Guardiola 14/55
5⃣ Jürgen Klopp 16/17
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The lowest percentage of goals received
1⃣ Thomas Tuchel 0/72
2⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 0.75
3⃣ Diego Simeone 0/77
4⃣ Pep Guardiola 0/81
5⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 0.87
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Average scoring per game
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 2/53
2⃣ Pep Guardiola 2/43
3⃣ Pochettino 2/16
4⃣ Jürgen Klopp 2/09
5⃣ Gasperini 1/96
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Percentage of goals scored per game
1⃣ Carlo Ancelotti 89/82
2⃣ Pep Guardiola 88/95
3⃣ Massimiliano Allegri 88/64
4⃣ Pochettino 08/08
5⃣ Thomas Tuchel 85/88
Is thst supposed to speak good or bad for Allegri?
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,902
This time next year, if we aren't in the title race, then we should move on from Allegri.

Allegri is a top coach who is being entrusted upon by the management to get back to winning ways. He is not going to create any long term philosophy. He's hired to win titles.

The Liverpool example of their owners giving enough time for Klopp doesn't apply here. Liverpool didn't win 9 titles in a row before falling of a cliff. They hadn't won a championship for almost 30 years before Klopp came in.

Juventus have maintained a winning tradition for the entirety of last decade with the biggest budget in the league.

To go from there to having Union level expectations because Inter and Milan have 'better teams' right now is a pretty low bar for a club of this level.

Hopefully we have a strong mercato this summer and we are back to where we should be.
 
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
What’s more. Our team is still a disaster. Loca out. Chiesa out. Chiellini out. McKennie out. Dybala, Zakaria, Bonucci in and out. That’s most of our starting line up out on a regular basis. Poor Max.
He had all the players available at the start of the season. He had no idea on how to use them and to get the best out of them and he still don't know it and can't do that. Only in that match in Naples we had a lot of players that were not available to play because of international football.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
What’s more. Our team is still a disaster. Loca out. Chiesa out. Chiellini out. McKennie out. Dybala, Zakaria, Bonucci in and out. That’s most of our starting line up out on a regular basis. Poor Max.
Yep - I'll give Max next year before I start judging him. We all know what he can do with a solid team. Our new SD needs to get him good but dependable players. Dependable = less injury issues and consistent on the field.
 

maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
3,766
What? Our team was a disaster at the start of the season. The loss of Ronaldo was devastating as we had no goal scorers. The constant absence of Dybala and later Chiesa made it worse. At one point we were 16 points behind Milan and Napoli, and 7 behind 4th place Atalanta. It’s a miracle that we were even in the scudetto conversation for a brief amount of time. Of course, as a Juve fan I want us to win every single game and trophy, but realistically top 4 was always our goal after the start we had to the season. Top 4 is crucial, because without it we are doomed financially, whereas not winning the scudetto this year won’t really affect the clubs future vs say a third place finish.
Your tone has changed since the start of the season then, like many others here. You said in September, and I quote, "I love him, but he has to deliver come May. I expect either a scudetto or a deep run in the CLs (semis)"- neither of which he has achieved. And this was after the "devastating" loss of Ronaldo, which you acknowledged in the same post. You have turned the players into scapegoats and have once again moved the goalposts to excuse Allegri's clear and obvious shortcomings this year.
 
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
Your tone has changed since the start of the season then, like many others here. You said in September, and I quote, "I love him, but he has to deliver come May. I expect either a scudetto or a deep run in the CLs (semis)"- neither of which he has achieved. And this was after the "devastating" loss of Ronaldo, which you acknowledged in the same post. You have turned the players into scapegoats and have once again moved the goalposts to excuse Allegri's clear and obvious shortcomings this year.
Cultists are all at the top
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