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Robee

Senior Member
Jun 21, 2011
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Nah, its not that black and white. Max got fired after finishing 1st, Sarri got fired after finishing 1st, Pirlo got fired after finishing 4th. Now Max will finish between 3rd and 4th and imo likely will not be sacked. If the only thing that counted was position in the table it'd be a very strange decision, but obviously context matters and a million other things count too.
Nope, it definitely is the only thing that counts in the present. Protecting future results is another matter.
 

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Mar 9, 2006
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Because half of them suck. Better surrounding players makes it easier. Simple, right?
As a coach you have to understand how to get the best out of players that you have and Allegri has failed to do so.

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You say that as if it's an achievement to be proud of, and then you criticise Sarri in your next sentence despite him having actually won the league. :lol2: Man what.
Haven't you noticed that all the Allegri fans absolutely hate Sarri for no reason?

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AUGUST 29, 2021
Allegri
spoke about the defeat after the match and claimed that they made some mistakes and could have taken more advantage of their opponents to get a better result from the game.
However, he insists they will only get better with time.
He said as quoted by Football Italia: “We need to work on our solidity, but these two slip-ups will inevitably do us good. This is a strong squad, it has values and gradually they will emerge.We can’t assume we will take the lead and control every game, we need the calm that a great team has, knowing we can overturn it."

That's just a pussy mentality, he sounds like he's coaching Livorno. We can't assume we will take the lead and control every game? THE FUCK YOU DOING AT JUVENTUS THEN?
 
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Robee

Senior Member
Jun 21, 2011
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You say that as if it's an achievement to be proud of, and then you criticise Sarri in your next sentence despite him having actually won the league. :lol2: Man what.
Circumstances kiddo. Sarri inherited a squad that won the league comfortably and made them win it with a 1-point margin. This team ended fourth in the final minute of the season, lost multiple pillars in Chiellini, Chiesa, Bonucci, Ronaldo and is still somewhat mildly stabilised.

Is there room for criticism and improvement? Hell yeah, a lot of it. For coach and players but we need stability first and foremost to actually build on something instead of starting blank every season.
 
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You say that as if it's an achievement to be proud of, and then you criticise Sarri in your next sentence despite him having actually won the league. :lol2: Man what.
What would be your advise to the board, sack Allegri and accept paying him ~39m gross in the next 3 years? Is that the kind of business we should be doing, sacking managers year after year?

Or do we have to patient like Liverpool did with Klopp.
 

rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
4,365
What would be your advise to the board, sack Allegri and accept paying him ~39m gross in the next 3 years? Is that the kind of business we should be doing, sacking managers year after year?

Or do we have to patient like Liverpool did with Klopp.
Put the gun against his head, pull the trigger now he is dead.

Sign that resign paper or die

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Mar 9, 2006
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What would be your advise to the board, sack Allegri and accept paying him ~39m gross in the next 3 years? Is that the kind of business we should be doing, sacking managers year after year?

Or do we have to patient like Liverpool did with Klopp.
Ask Agnelli, he's responsible for this shit.

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On to the ignore list, Rus. If you actually take public words from a coach seriously :lol:. He couldn't possibly say things to protect or trigger his players, could he?
see? You are just deluded Allegri's fanboy who doesn't even trust to his words
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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Yawn

I've been an Allegri critic this season but idk who people expect to be his replacement.

Considering all the injuries and the new found consistency (except the last few matches) after an atrocious start, it'd be pretty fucking retarded not to give him one more chance.

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To criticize any manager for not winning with this set of Juve players, is like criticizing a Tuz admin for not making Tuz a quality forum with members like RUS, Turk and Badass.
At least the admins have the option to ban.
At least Turk is funny.
 
Mar 9, 2006
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To criticize any manager for not winning with this set of Juve players, is like criticizing a Tuz admin for not making Tuz a quality forum with members like RUS, Turk and Badass.
At least the admins have the option to ban.
So you telling me that this squad
Morata, Kean, Dybala, Chiesa, Kulusevski, Bernardeschi, Cuadrado
Bentancur, Arthur, Rabiot, Locatelli, Mckennie
Sandro, Pellegrini, Chiellini, MDL, Bonucci, MDS, Danilo

is not capable to play better than this squad

Ibrahimovic, Giroud, Diaz, Saelemaekers, Leao, Rebic, Castillejo
Maldini, Tonali, Kessie, Krunic, Messias, Bakayoko, Bennacer
Kalulu, Florenzi, Theo, Calabria, Gabbia, Kjaer, Romagnoli

Even Inter became worse - they have 10 less points than a year ago

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Yawn

I've been an Allegri critic this season but idk who people expect to be his replacement.

Considering all the injuries and the new found consistency (except the last few matches) after an atrocious start, it'd be pretty fucking retarded not to give him one more chance.

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At least Turk is funny.
He's on 4 year contract

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Pirlo with the highest points, most goals scored, least losses, all with a Bentancur - Rabiot midfield, no Dybala, no pre-season, no coaching stuff, no winter reinforcements and against stronger competitors.
But of course Allegri is THE GOAT
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Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Pirlo with the highest points, most goals scored, least losses, all with a Bentancur - Rabiot midfield, no Dybala, no pre-season, no coaching stuff, no winter reinforcements and against stronger competitors.
So you telling me that Pirlo's Juve was playing better than last year's Milan even though Pirlo had the weaker players?
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,995
No, it's just shows that this season we had it all to play better and to fight for scudetto
We had nothing. We don't have midfield, we don't have fullbacks, we don't have bench, for more than half a season we didn't have a striker. I am firmly convinced that every single manager in the world would have failed to win with this Juventus.
This makes me unable to criticize or praise Allegri. Maybe he did better than most managers would have with this team. With other managers, we might have been out of top 4. Maybe he did worse than some other managers would have. With others, we might have had less injuries and gotten better results due to that. We can't know. All I know is that this set of players sucks, or they are too old, and I'd keep only 2-3 of these players for future Juve.
 
Mar 9, 2006
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We had nothing. We don't have midfield, we don't have fullbacks, we don't have bench, for more than half a season we didn't have a striker. I am firmly convinced that every single manager in the world would have failed to win with this Juventus.
This makes me unable to criticize or praise Allegri. Maybe he did better than most managers would have with this team. With other managers, we might have been out of top 4. Maybe he did worse than some other managers would have. With others, we might have had less injuries and gotten better results due to that. We can't know. All I know is that this set of players sucks, or they are too old, and I'd keep only 2-3 of these players for future Juve.
Cuadrado, Danilo, Sandro, MDS are one of the most experienced fullbacks in the league, it's Allegri's unwillingness to setup attacking football that is making them all look like shit. Give me a proper manager and you will see the improvements of our fullbacks. Danilo is a starting right full back for Brazilian NT, he's being chosen over 1000s of other Brazilians, how so if he's so bad? Sure, he is no Dani alves when it comes to attacking phase but you still can get much more out of him than Allegri does, and it applies to all other players. Why you can't see that EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THIS SQUAD is underperforming? How is it possible ? The lack of organisation, the lack of concentration, the lack of will, poor tactics, poor substitutions, it's all there, just watch any match of Juventus and it's all coach's fault.
 

maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
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Circumstances kiddo. Sarri inherited a squad that won the league comfortably and made them win it with a 1-point margin. This team ended fourth in the final minute of the season, lost multiple pillars in Chiellini, Chiesa, Bonucci, Ronaldo and is still somewhat mildly stabilised.

Is there room for criticism and improvement? Hell yeah, a lot of it. For coach and players but we need stability first and foremost to actually build on something instead of starting blank every season.
So did Allegri :shifty: but that's beside the point. Yes we've been plagued by injuries this year (and if you remember rightly this was the case when Allegri was last here as well) but regardless this isn't a team that should be finishing 4th in a piss-easy league like Serie A. The successes of Milan and Inter this year tell us more about how bad we are than about how 'good' they've become- because they haven't.

I'm also most certainly intrigued as to how you think we've stabilized this season. I don't see how Allegri has improved on either of his predecessors. Saying that he is 'comfortably in 4th place' in contrast to Pirlo just because he is 4 points better off than him is a stretch.
 

Robee

Senior Member
Jun 21, 2011
7,027
So did Allegri :shifty: but that's beside the point. Yes we've been plagued by injuries this year (and if you remember rightly this was the case when Allegri was last here as well) but regardless this isn't a team that should be finishing 4th in a piss-easy league like Serie A. The successes of Milan and Inter this year tell us more about how bad we are than about how 'good' they've become- because they haven't.

I'm also most certainly intrigued as to how you think we've stabilized this season. I don't see how Allegri has improved on either of his predecessors. Saying that he is 'comfortably in 4th place' in contrast to Pirlo just because he is 4 points better off than him is a stretch.
I agree we shouldn't be 4th when looking at the squads in a vacuum. We're at least on par with Milan talent wise but let's be real; inter squad is better at this point and the other squads have been working up to this point for years while we were changing every season (coach, playing style, franchise player at the end of august,...).

How have we stabilised? Results obviously. Look at the standings without the first 5-6 games in which we had to change the whole hoof-it-to-Ronaldo strategy...
 

DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
14,354
I’m no Allegri stan but to expect attacking football when he’s got no attacking fullbacks outside of cuadrado and a midfield full of DM types is a bit unrealistic and by a bit I mean a lot of bits.

At the same time he’s not without faults. For example, his refusal to play younger players when his other setups prove time and time again to not work. Also, trying to fit players into set roles rather than working the system around his players strengths ie playing Rabiot on the flank (it was so funny hearing him say the other day that Rabiot is better in the middle. Like no shit mister we didn’t need to see him play the wing for six months to figure that one out)
 
Mar 9, 2006
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I’m no Allegri stan but to expect attacking football when he’s got no attacking fullbacks outside of cuadrado and a midfield full of DM types is a bit unrealistic and by a bit I mean a lot of bits.

At the same time he’s not without faults. For example, his refusal to play younger players when his other setups prove time and time again to not work. Also, trying to fit players into set roles rather than working the system around his players strengths ie playing Rabiot on the flank (it was so funny hearing him say the other day that Rabiot is better in the middle. Like no shit mister we didn’t need to see him play the wing for six months to figure that one out)
That's what his fanboys can't understand
 

DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
14,354
That's what his fanboys can't understand
It’s what I hated about Sarri. Allegri used to be tactically one of the more flexible managers. Dunno what happened, maybe the roster he was given isn’t allowing him to experiment as much. Either way they have to figure it out because one more year of this roster/setup would be torture.
 

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