Massimiliano Allegri (169 Viewers)

[Hist]

È di moda, è divertente! Guardiola, che è un allenatore straordinario, cosa ha fatto? Tutti pensano a partire dal basso, lui ha comprato un portiere che lancia la palla a ottanta metri. Questo per dire che spesso la gente si fa abbindolare da cose che non esistono: alla fine c’è da vincere la partita.

This is what he says and there's no shade or mental gymnastics, 2 bit journos try to make a living out of creating fake controversies, you fell for it. He clearly says that everyone thinks pep is all about starting from the back yet he goes and buys a keeper that can lob it 80 meters. Meaning he is not dogmatic in his ways and will do what is necessary to win.

Oh man so conspiracy it is. All he really meant to say is the truism that Pep plays to win.

Nothing about people falling for a deception about Gaurdiolas style that isn't there. Nothing about the playing style not being made successful only due to the barca trio. No questioning of his approach at all.

Take off your blinders dude. Allegri has a fundamental difference in opinion about how football should be played. He doesn't believe in a possession-based offensive approach to football. He believes in a loose structure and coaches to tactical versatility.

He says it himself in both interviews. He couldn't have been clearer in fleshing out that he sees counter attacking/vertical/directly football just as much a spectacle and points to Sachis Milan as an example.

He is defending his approach by questioning Pep's. Reinforcing the false dichotomy that for teams without the barca trio talent it's either his way or not winning.

Clearly false considering the champions of almost every league out there today that doesn't play his style of football.

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Come on Hist, you expect me to argue about a Allegri remark now? I tried explaining to you because you misinterpreted, so now you wanna go deeper. Bottom line he didnt bash Guardiola, he didnt say its either results or pretty football, there is no need to go on about this

Disagree on the bottom line. Even if I concede that all he is saying is that even Pep sometimes plays direct (which I dont) there is no way that this interview can be construed as Allegri praises Pep

We will agree to disagree.

 

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[singus]

Allegri always does this though. He doesnt commit to anything, changes formations and views day to day. Some days he likes to say that football is much more complicated than fans are aware of or even other coaches. Other times he likes to say that football is super simple, you just let the players sort it out and act as if he is an oracle who has figured it all out You learn to appreciate some of the strange and contradictory comments of his, I guess its some sort of Stockholm syndrome at this point.

 

[Hist]

For the record I don't think he is a bad coach at all. I see him as a good coach just not exceptional.

I see him as closest to Mancini level but at an earlier stage in his career. After dominating Serie A in an era where the competition to his team was very weak, Mancini went on to coach and win with City and then Italy. .

Like Mancini, give him good experienced players and he'll do well with them. He doesn't have a defined system nor is he great motivator but not bad either. He sets up a loose structure and gives his players freedom to make the right decisions at the right moments. Some players thrive in that and some don't.

I wanted to see him in Madrid or Arsenal to see how he'd fair where the style of football is so different. Players like Benzema and Modric, Kroos, Casemiro would likely thrive in that approach given their experience and intelligence. Like him or hate him Khedira was useful for Allegri because he was tactically intelligent.

But alas we are stuck with him because when we tried playing progressive football we hired Sarri and then a noob before back tracking.

 

[Ventus]

For the record I don't think he is a bad coach at all. I see him as a good coach just not exceptional.

I see him as closest to Mancini level but at an earlier stage in his career. After dominating Serie A in an era where the competition to his team was very weak, Mancini went on to coach and win with City and then Italy. .

Like Mancini, give him good experienced players and he'll do well with them. He doesn't have a defined system nor is he great motivator but not bad either. He sets up a loose structure and gives his players freedom to make the right decisions at the right moments. Some players thrive in that and some don't.

I wanted to see him in Madrid or Arsenal to see how he'd fair where the style of football is so different. Players like Benzema and Modric, Kroos, Casemiro would likely thrive in that approach given their experience and intelligence. Like him or hate him Khedira was useful for Allegri because he was tactically intelligent.

But alas we are stuck with him because when we tried playing progressive football we hired Sarri and then a noob before back tracking.

Mancini did awful in the CL with a very strong Inter. Allegri transformed Juventus into contenders. Let's not pretend he wasn't great first time.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

For the record I don't think he is a bad coach at all. I see him as a good coach just not exceptional.

I see him as closest to Mancini level but at an earlier stage in his career. After dominating Serie A in an era where the competition to his team was very weak, Mancini went on to coach and win with City and then Italy. .

Like Mancini, give him good experienced players and he'll do well with them. He doesn't have a defined system nor is he great motivator but not bad either. He sets up a loose structure and gives his players freedom to make the right decisions at the right moments. Some players thrive in that and some don't.

I wanted to see him in Madrid or Arsenal to see how he'd fair where the style of football is so different. Players like Benzema and Modric, Kroos, Casemiro would likely thrive in that approach given their experience and intelligence. Like him or hate him Khedira was useful for Allegri because he was tactically intelligent.

But alas we are stuck with him because when we tried playing progressive football we hired Sarri and then a noob before back tracking.

Exactly, but even then he still might bottle against Wigan in the cup final or against N. Ireland or against Villarreal

 

[maxi]

Like Mancini, give him good experienced players and he'll do well with them.

Which is precisely why he was the wrong pick for this rebuild phase

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Which is precisely why he was the wrong pick for this rebuild phase

but Allegri's fanboys can't see it

 

[il brutto]

Allegri not being able to rebuild squads is a myth that just isn't true. During his last tenure here he build almost a completely new team and managed to keep winning the league and went to another CL final. Actually he hasn't been at a top club where there hasn't been some form of rebuild or restructuring of the squad going. If anything we have less of an idea how he does with a settled squad over a 3-4 year period.

 

[Post Ironic]

Cunte and Crapello fanbois talking trash about Max

 

[Hist]

Mancini did awful in the CL with a very strong Inter. Allegri transformed Juventus into contenders. Let's not pretend he wasn't great first time.

At the end of the day Allegri didnt win the CL and has had a few humiliating results himself in Europe. Mancini also won City's first EPL title and the Euros. He too did great things in multiple seasons.

 

[GarfielD]

People comparing Max to freakin Mancini.

Tuz

 

[juve123]

Allegri not being able to rebuild squads is a myth that just isn't true. During his last tenure here he build almost a completely new team and managed to keep winning the league and went to another CL final. Actually he hasn't been at a top club where there hasn't been some form of rebuild or restructuring of the squad going. If anything we have less of an idea how he does with a settled squad over a 3-4 year period.

That surely won't happen lots of players leaving next season he has tough task getting our attack to start scoring more goals next season without Dybala.

 

[Ventus]

People comparing Max to freakin Mancini.

Tuz

I said this before but it wouldn't surprise me if we do hire Mancini after Allegri gets sacked. We only hire Italian managers so its a real possibility.

 

[juve123]

I said this before but it wouldn't surprise me if we do hire Mancini after Allegri gets sacked. We only hire Italian managers so its a real possibility.

Only exception might be Zidane but then he would want some transfer guarantees.

 

[maxi]

Wouldnt mind someone like Ten Hag. Should bring over some of their youth coaches/scouts along with him too

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Cunte and Crapello fanbois talking trash about Max

 

[il brutto]

I said this before but it wouldn't surprise me if we do hire Mancini after Allegri gets sacked. We only hire Italian managers so its a real possibility.

Could easily happen. Zizou, Deschamps and other Italian speaking ex players might be the exception to that rule.

 

[DAiDEViL]

People comparing Max to freakin Mancini.

Tuz

Free Thinkers

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Allegri not being able to rebuild squads is a myth that just isn't true. During his last tenure here he build almost a completely new team and managed to keep winning the league and went to another CL final. Actually he hasn't been at a top club where there hasn't been some form of rebuild or restructuring of the squad going. If anything we have less of an idea how he does with a settled squad over a 3-4 year period.

Stop making sense.

It's not like they really care about facts that don't suit their narrative.

 

[.zero]

I said this before but it wouldn't surprise me if we do hire Mancini after Allegri gets sacked. We only hire Italian managers so its a real possibility.

You clearly get it. Yet so many others here are incapable of grasping that simple concept.

 

[Post Ironic]

Only 1 CL title with the Milan, Juve, Madrid squads he got to coach? What a bum.