Massimiliano Allegri (515 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

Comparing Klopp at Liverpool to Allegri’s year this season and then claiming Allegri is not good enough but Klopp was, they are on the same trajectory... First of all Klopp was given a shitload of money to build the club and bring his players in over a number of years, let’s see who he ‘improved’ and who he bought from the team he had in his first season which is basically where we are at the moment. He spent a total of 140m in his first 2 seasons, in his 3rd season he spent 140m, 160m in his 4th…

Let’s look at the squad he fielded yesterday:
Allison: bought
TAA: Inherited
Konate: Bought
VVD: Bought
Robertson: Bought
Henderson: inherited
Fabinho: bought
Thiago: bought
Mane: bought
Salah: Bought
Jota: Bought

TAA at the time was a youth player. So a number of years later you can see Klopp deemed nearly all of his players not good enough and brought his own in. This is the only similarity we have to the Klopp team, whether we turn into that is now on Allegri and the management to invest and pick the right players. Memories are so short, the Liverpool team in Klopps first year did not play the style of football his current crop do, hence why they were all replaced fairly quickly. And the team he inherited wasn’t terrible, it had a similar level of quality to our team particularly with his big spending in his first year.

But according to the Bayern jackass who shows up once in a blue moon to incoherently rage about how shit everything Italy is (not sure how we allow a Bayern fan to come here and constantly trash everything about this club, should be banned), Klopp instantly transformed them into an amazing team, it’s just he didn’t have star players. And the excuse that he took over in early October like 8 matches into the season lol. He had most of the season, they still finished 8th which was worse than previous 3 seasons, but sure, they were instantly better according to Nostradamus and Hist

And that’s exactly it. 9 of starting XI bought from a month or two before he arrived through the next couple years. But ya know, he turned those scrubs that were already there into a great team!

 

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[kao_ray]

imagine if he stayed and accepted to play cf

that 4-4-2 cancer would kill him too

We don't know. It was the right time to move on, but we failed miserably to find a good replacement. Now Morata is doing more harm than good and the opposition can relax that even if he is given a good opportunity he won't score.

Having a good hitman gives more freedom for players like Cuadrado and Chiesa because the opposition is too focused on the striker. Now both Dybala and Morata are so easy to mark.

 

[Post Ironic]

did my comments hurt ur feeling u cluess dumb shit

Cry a little more about Klopp not having his dick sucked as much as you do it on a Juve forum dumbass. Maybe stick to the Nazi forums retard.

 

[juve123]

We don't know. It was the right time to move on, but we failed miserably to find a good replacement. Now Morata is doing more harm than good and the opposition can relax that even if he is given a good opportunity he won't score.

Having a good hitman gives more freedom for players like Cuadrado and Chiesa because the opposition is too focused on the striker. Now both Dybala and Morata are so easy to mark.

Still I don't think management expected Ronaldo to leave this late before the end of transfer window going by the statements of Cherubini and Nedved and the panic signing of Kean for 40 million euros

 

[Nostradamus]

Cry a little more about Klopp not having his dick sucked as much as you do on a Juve forum dumbass. Maybe stick to the Nazi forums retard.

spoken like a butthurt little girl..go on and continue embarrassing urself and I ll go on laughing about ur comments here..they r mostly pure comedy gold and good for a laugh.

 

[Post Ironic]

spoken like a butthurt little girl..go on and continue embarrassing urself and I ll go on laughing about ur comments here..they r mostly pure comedy gold and good for a laugh.

Aww. The little Nazi faggot who shows up here to post embarrassingly butthurt incoherent angry rants talks about butthurt and embarrassment. Shameless. Now run scurrying back to your little Nazi forum where you hide out most of the year. No one will miss you.

 

[Mike-e-y]

But according to the Bayern jackass who shows up once in a blue moon to incoherently rage about how shit everything Italy is (not sure how we allow a Bayern fan to come here and constantly trash everything about this club, should be banned), Klopp instantly transformed them into an amazing team, it’s just he didn’t have star players. And the excuse that he took over in early October like 8 matches into the season lol. He had most of the season, they still finished 8th which was worse than previous 3 seasons, but sure, they were instantly better according to Nostradamus and Hist

And that’s exactly it. 9 of starting XI bought from a month or two before he arrived through the next couple years. But ya know, he turned those scrubs that were already there into a great team!

Honestly these people are delusional. They have a narrative and stick to it. Now he’s saying they bought players because they got a lot of money from selling coutinho. Fucking irrelevant if they got money, they replaced the whole team, he won with a team he built - that’s the point…. Allegri has had 6 months and a terrible transfer campaign in a covid hit environment while losing the top scorer last season and GOAT.

No doubt Klopps style of football is more forward thinking and entertaining. But if you give Allegri 3 years and the same finances he will build a dogged, workman like team that is tactically sound and difficult to break down full of mandzukic’s, matuidi’s, Pjanic’s and Khedira’s. Juventus has always been in this mould but had a 2 year period where we went full retard and now have a team with poor work rate and very little technique

 

[Post Ironic]

Honestly these people are delusional. They have a narrative and stick to it. Now he’s saying they bought players because they got a lot of money from selling coutinho. Fucking irrelevant if they got money, they replaced the whole team, he won with a team he built - that’s the point…. Allegri has had 6 months and a terrible transfer campaign in a covid hit environment while losing the top scorer last season and GOAT.

No doubt Klopps style of football is more forward thinking and entertaining. But if you give Allegri 3 years and the same finances he will build a dogged, workman like team that is tactically sound and difficult to break down full of mandzukic’s, matuidi’s, Pjanic’s and Khedira’s. Juventus has always been in this mould but had a 2 year period where we went full retard and now have a team with poor work rate and very little technique

We are 14 matches into the league season. We have 6 wins - 5 losses - 3 draws. And have qualified out of CL group stage. You know what the greatest coach in history, Jurgen Klopp did in his first 17 league matches at Liverpool. Lost or drew 11 of them. 6 wins - 6 losses - 5 draws. Man. What an instantaneous transformation into top class football!

I wasn’t even bashing Klopp, just saying it took him time and replacing almost the entire starting XI to move Liverpool back into the elite. And the Nazi had an aneurysm because how dare anyone suggest Klopp didn’t immediately turn shit into gold

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Would you bring Allegri back to Juve?

yes 160
no 28

farsighted people, very a few. i am still wondering though. after witnessing the shitshow in 2019, why would anyone want him back? single most destructive coach we ever had. his last comment about ''being realistic'' and aiming for fourth place was the single most shameless statement in juventus history. he is literally telling players that they suck, it is ok to have bad results. in truth, he sucks like none other. we have the strongest squad and by far the biggest budget. a baboon tied to a pole would achieve fourh place and he would cost much less.

 

[juve123]

Would you bring Allegri back to Juve?

yes 160
no 28

farsighted people, very a few. i am still wondering though. after witnessing the shitshow in 2019, why would anyone want him back? single most destructive coach we ever had. his last comment about ''being realistic'' and aiming for fourth place was the single most shameless statement in juventus history. he is literally telling players that they suck, it is ok to have bad results. in truth, he sucks like none other. we have the strongest squad and by far the biggest budget. a baboon tied to a pole would achieve fourh place and he would cost much less.

Still you don't mention who will you replace Allegri with considering our transfer budget

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Still you don't mention who will you replace Allegri with considering our transfer budget

there is burning carpet in the room. throw that shit out before thinking about what will you replace it with, before it burns the whole house.

 

[kao_ray]

We are 14 matches into the league season. We have 6 wins - 5 losses - 3 draws. And have qualified out of CL group stage. You know what the greatest coach in history, Jurgen Klopp did in his first 17 league matches at Liverpool. Lost or drew 11 of them. 6 wins - 6 losses - 5 draws. Man. What an instantaneous transformation into top class football!

I wasn’t even bashing Klopp, just saying it took him time and replacing almost the entire starting XI to move Liverpool back into the elite. And the Nazi had an aneurysm because how dare anyone suggest Klopp didn’t immediately turn shit into gold

Nothing against Klopp too, but this dude German fetish is too creepy.
According to him the German national team should have 3 world class players on every position.

 

[K.O.]

we have the strongest squad and by far the biggest budget. a baboon tied to a pole would achieve fourh place and he would cost much less.

 

[Brny44]

You cant compare klopp and allegri, one of them won premier and CL, and second farmer's league and got demolished in two CL finals. Plus alegri don't give a f about young players, and that is the shittiest philosophy. He knew 2018 that this ship is sinking and now he came as a savieur, but the thruth is, that this ship sank already.

 

[cimenk]

I think by now it's clear that he won't meet the expectation of winning Serie A that most of us understood as the metric for success. We are also far from challenging for the league title.

So now the expectation has dropped to top 4 finish and even that seems uncertain. Folks are making comparisons to Klopp taking a few years to build the winning team. For starters, Klopp inherited a team that hasnt touched a trophy in a decade, and was competing against multiple teams that were spending crazy money every year. He didn't inherit the league's richest team, and his competitors didn't have to do a sell-off of their coach and key players.

But more importantly, Klopp from his first season imposed an identity and specific game plan and built around that. He has a philosophy, a style of play that was visible. You could see the players getting used to it more and more, there was progress on the pitch, players improved and then he added players to the team that fit this style of play.

We see none of that with Allegri thus far. This season is more like Ole's season this year, and less like Klopp or Pep's first season. We still don't know what his idea is football is. We are not seeing any emerging patterns of play. Changing players and formations over and over. The only constant is chaos. Players that just had a beastly Euro have turned to shit. Players that had a good season under Pirlo (Ronaldo aside) have regressed. Morata, Chiesa, Cuadrado. Mckennie, Kulusevsk, De Ligt.. heck even Rabiot is worse this year than he was last season.

The Klopp comparison is invalid. He wouldnt have kept his job if his team looked even more clueless, playing uglier football with worse results than his predecessor at the end of his first season. We are only ~halfway through the season, Allegri still has time to at least show some signs of progress. But the clock is ticking.

Definitely agree. Some of our players performance regressed this year. Even for players who are inconsistent last year like Kulu or Rabiot. But they still have better games last year. Arthur also have period for good performances before niggling injury in mid last season

There is no composure when we control the ball. We pass the ball forward without any plan to hold possesion or control the game in longer period. Past it fast, lost it fast, no patience at all. Allegri mention it that we dont have enough composure. But this problem keep recurring match after match

 

[Post Ironic]

Nothing against Klopp too, but this dude German fetish is too creepy.
According to him the German national team should have 3 world class players on every position.

Last I checked Klopp’s Liverpool finished 3rd with 69 points last season and only scored 68 goals. We sacked Pirlo for that kind of performance.

 

[kao_ray]

Last I checked Klopp’s Liverpool finished 3rd with 69 points last season and only scored 68 goals. We sacked Pirlo for that kind of performance.

So Pirlo is better because he is cheaper?

 

[Post Ironic]

You cant compare klopp and allegri, one of them won premier and CL, and second farmer's league and got demolished in two CL finals. Plus alegri don't give a f about young players, and that is the shittiest philosophy. He knew 2018 that this ship is sinking and now he came as a savieur, but the thruth is, that this ship sank already.

Klopp won CL when he lucked into playing Tottenham lol. Remind me what happened when he actually faced top teams in CL final. Oh, that’s right. He lost twice.

 

[Mike-e-y]

We are 14 matches into the league season. You know what the greatest coach in history, Jurgen Klopp did in his first 17 league matches at Liverpool. Lost or drew 11 of them. 6 wins - 6 draws - 5 losses. Man. What an instantaneous transformation into top class football!

I wasn’t even bashing Klopp, just saying it took him time and replacing almost the entire starting XI to move Liverpool back into the elite. And the Nazi had an aneurysm because how dare anyone suggest Klopp didn’t immediately turn shit into gold

Exactly, we are on the exact same trajectory they were. The style is completely different of course but that’s what we signed up for. These people that want Juve playing tiki taka or this new modern football need to understand the tradition and history of this team which has always been gnarly and gritty grinding out results by breaking down our opponents.

Would you bring Allegri back to Juve?

yes 160
no 28

farsighted people, very a few. i am still wondering though. after witnessing the shitshow in 2019, why would anyone want him back? single most destructive coach we ever had. his last comment about ''being realistic'' and aiming for fourth place was the single most shameless statement in juventus history. he is literally telling players that they suck, it is ok to have bad results. in truth, he sucks like none other. we have the strongest squad and by far the biggest budget. a baboon tied to a pole would achieve fourh place and he would cost much less.

2019 was the best season we’ve had in the last 3 years. We won the league at a canter with weeks to spare. We made the CL qf. I’d love another ‘shitshow’ like that. His last comment is right - do you seriously expect this group of players to win the league?? I’d suggest the success of the Allegri era has gone to your head and now you arrogantly expect us to dominate all competitions we enter because we are Juventus

 

[Post Ironic]

Exactly, we are on the exact same trajectory they were. The style is completely different of course but that’s what we signed up for. These people that want Juve playing tiki taka or this new modern football need to understand the tradition and history of this team which has always been gnarly and gritty grinding out results by breaking down our opponents.



2019 was the best season we’ve had in the last 3 years. We won the league at a canter with weeks to spare. We made the CL qf. I’d love another ‘shitshow’ like that. His last comment is right - do you seriously expect this group of players to win the league?? I’d suggest the success of the Allegri era has gone to your head and now you arrogantly expect us to dominate all competitions we enter because we are Juventus

All the moaning about how bad 2018-19 was on Tuz when it was the last time we played CL QFs and actually knocked a top team out in Rof16. And still finished with 90 pts while going on summer vacation 5 rounds early. We didn’t lose for the first 27 rounds in Serie a that season lol