Massimiliano Allegri (191 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

I think by now it's clear that he won't meet the expectation of winning Serie A that most of us understood as the metric for success. We are also far from challenging for the league title.

So now the expectation has dropped to top 4 finish and even that seems uncertain. Folks are making comparisons to Klopp taking a few years to build the winning team. For starters, Klopp inherited a team that hasnt touched a trophy in a decade, and was competing against multiple teams that were spending crazy money every year. He didn't inherit the league's richest team, and his competitors didn't have to do a sell-off of their coach and key players.

But more importantly, Klopp from his first season imposed an identity and specific game plan and built around that. He has a philosophy, a style of play that was visible. You could see the players getting used to it more and more, there was progress on the pitch, players improved and then he added players to the team that fit this style of play.

We see none of that with Allegri thus far. This season is more like Ole's season this year, and less like Klopp or Pep's first season. We still don't know what his idea is football is. We are not seeing any emerging patterns of play. Changing players and formations over and over. The only constant is chaos. Players that just had a beastly Euro have turned to shit. Players that had a good season under Pirlo (Ronaldo aside) have regressed. Morata, Chiesa, Cuadrado. Mckennie, Kulusevsk, De Ligt.. heck even Rabiot is worse this year than he was last season.

The Klopp comparison is invalid. He wouldnt have kept his job if his team looked even more clueless, playing uglier football with worse results than his predecessor at the end of his first season. We are only ~halfway through the season, Allegri still has time to at least show some signs of progress. But the clock is ticking.

Pool finished 8th his first season. 6th the season before he came, 2nd the season before that. He didn’t come into a mid table side either. Don’t make shit up. No one is saying he’s a bad coach for that 8th place finish, or finishing 7th in Bundesfodda the year prior. But as I said he was given time and lots of money (both Allison and VVD were world record transfers for their positions at the time) to completely reshape the team into one that eventually got great results. That’s what you do with top coaches because they have earned that. Not endless time and patience, but certainly a season or two to right the ship.

Unless we finish down near the relegation zone y’all will just have to deal with Allegri being given time to build a real team here. Does anyone like this mess? Nope. But he’s earned the time and patience to build a team for success.

Also, Kulu had a good season last year? Rabiot? Lol. He was straight trash last season too.

Mckennie was also complete shit after January. He’s improved leaps and bounds from his second half form last season. Morty was the same, complete rubbish after January last season, unfortunately he still is.

 

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[Lion]

if allegri is such a genius. why he always play rabiot as a winger.

pep was ridiculed for reninventing players into positions not needed. why does fraud allegri get a pass? apply same standard

 

[Hist]

Pool finished 8th his first season. 6th the season before he came, 2nd the season before that. He didn’t come into a mid table side either. Don’t make shit up. No one is saying he’s a bad coach for that 8th place finish, or finishing 7th in Bundesfodda the year prior. But as I said he was given time and lots of money (both Allison and VVD were world record transfers for their positions at the time) to completely reshape the team into one that eventually got great results. That’s what you do with top coaches because they have earned that. Not endless time and patience, but certainly a season or two to right the ship.

Unless we finish down near the relegation zone y’all will just have to deal with Allegri being given time to build a real team here. Does anyone like this mess? Nope. But he’s earned the time and patience to build a team for success.

Also, Kulu had a good season last year? Rabiot? Lol. He was straight trash last season too.

Mckennie was also complete shit after January. He’s improved leaps and bounds from his second half form last season. Morty was the same, complete rubbish after January last season, unfortunately he still is.

You can intentionally miss the point if you want.

Klopp was showing on the ground progress from the start stamping an identity and style of play. Allegri has not. Juve has regressed from the already low point of Pirlo's game plan.

I said players that had good seasons regressed. And players that weren't good are even worse now. Again regression from an already low point.

Klopp got time because
(1) Liverpool hadn't won in decades and were no longer a top 4 team either, and
(2) because there were indicators of progress on the pitch.

Neither of these apply to Juve. Klopps first seasons were successes because there was progress and that was the objective.If Allegri continues like this, then this season will be a failure for not winning or challenging for the title (our objectives) and a double failure for not making any progress (the new lowered objectives).

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Think of it as different degrees of failure:

1) Failure to win the title (bad)
2) Failure to challenge for the title (worse)
3) Failure to improve on last year either in results or in style (horrible)


If he delivers (3) this season (which includes 1 & 2) he should absolutely be sacked. Honestly I'd even prefer Pirlo over him in that scenario.

 

[Post Ironic]

You can intentionally miss the point if you want.

Klopp was showing on the ground progress from the start stamping an identity and style of play. Allegri has not. Juve has regressed from the already low point of Pirlo's game plan.

I said players that had good seasons regressed. And players that weren't good are even worse now. Again regression from an already low point.

Klopp got time because
(1) Liverpool hadn't won in decades and were no longer a top 4 team either, and
(2) because there were indicators of progress on the pitch.

Neither of these apply to Juve. Klopps first seasons were successes because there was progress and that was the objective.If Allegri continues like this, then this season will be a failure for not winning or challenging for the title (our objectives) and a double failure for not making any progress (the new lowered objectives).

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Think of it as different degrees of failure:

1) Failure to win the title (bad)
2) Failure to challenge for the title (worse)
3) Failure to improve on last year either in results or in style (horrible)


If he delivers (3) this season (which includes 1 & 2) he should absolutely be sacked. Honestly I'd even prefer Pirlo over him in that scenario.

Oh please. Klopp finished worse in his first season at Pool than they had the previous 3 seasons. He didn’t improve them that season. He didn’t challenge for top 4. It was a rubbish season. They started to show progress the next season after he got through a transfer window and brought in players that better suited his style.

And, you’re forgetting that we made 4th last season with a final day choke from Napoli. And that we had Ronaldo scoring a boatload of goals and saving us from midtable obscurity last year. We don’t have that this year. We had zero style of play last season. We were a disorganized mess on the pitch 4 out of every 5 matches. Ronaldo and sometimes Chiesa and Morty (early season) saved us from an embarrassing disaster of a season.

Pirlo > Allegri? Y’all are hilarious.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Be fair to the man, he walked into a proper mess. Give him a proper team before we judge. Can't see any other managers doing a much better job with this team except maybe Conte or Simeone

 

[X Æ A-12]

If you admit that then u admit sarri was right

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[Juvellino]

If this was Pirlo or Sarri they would have been crucified by now. Just saying.

Not really. Management would just let them coach for the rest of the year because at Jj there is no accountability.

 

[Salvo]

Be fair to the man, he walked into a proper mess. Give him a proper team before we judge. Can't see any other managers doing a much better job with this team except maybe Conte or Simeone

This loss sucks because it's just shows what level we are. Like we tried to get forward in the second half, Atalanta didn't really do anything and we were just unable to get anything going.

 

[Lion]

If allegri so bad, why he not just become good.



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[Mike-e-y]

Comparing Klopp at Liverpool to Allegri’s year this season and then claiming Allegri is not good enough but Klopp was, they are on the same trajectory... First of all Klopp was given a shitload of money to build the club and bring his players in over a number of years, let’s see who he ‘improved’ and who he bought from the team he had in his first season which is basically where we are at the moment. He spent a total of 140m in his first 2 seasons, in his 3rd season he spent 140m, 160m in his 4th…

Let’s look at the squad he fielded yesterday:
Allison: bought
TAA: Inherited
Konate: Bought
VVD: Bought
Robertson: Bought
Henderson: inherited
Fabinho: bought
Thiago: bought
Mane: bought
Salah: Bought
Jota: Bought

TAA at the time was a youth player. So a number of years later you can see Klopp deemed nearly all of his players not good enough and brought his own in. This is the only similarity we have to the Klopp team, whether we turn into that is now on Allegri and the management to invest and pick the right players. Memories are so short, the Liverpool team in Klopps first year did not play the style of football his current crop do, hence why they were all replaced fairly quickly. And the team he inherited wasn’t terrible, it had a similar level of quality to our team particularly with his big spending in his first year.

 

[juve123]

Comparing Klopp at Liverpool to Allegri’s year this season and then claiming Allegri is not good enough but Klopp was, they are on the same trajectory... First of all Klopp was given a shitload of money to build the club and bring his players in over a number of years, let’s see who he ‘improved’ and who he bought from the team he had in his first season which is basically where we are at the moment. He spent a total of 140m in his first 2 seasons, in his 3rd season he spent 140m, 160m in his 4th…

Let’s look at the squad he fielded yesterday:
Allison: bought
TAA: Inherited
Konate: Bought
VVD: Bought
Robertson: Bought
Henderson: inherited
Fabinho: bought
Thiago: bought
Mane: bought
Salah: Bought
Jota: Bought

TAA at the time was a youth player. So a number of years later you can see Klopp deemed nearly all of his players not good enough and brought his own in. This is the only similarity we have to the Klopp team, whether we turn into that is now on Allegri and the management to invest and pick the right players. Memories are so short, the Liverpool team in Klopps first year did not play the style of football his current crop do, hence why they were all replaced fairly quickly. And the team he inherited wasn’t terrible, it had a similar level of quality to our team particularly with his big spending in his first year.

But this isn't a new thing that all the top managers around the world want a big transfer budget before they accept the offer even mourinho spent 96 million euros in the transfer market and is still unhappy with the squad and I am sure Allegri would have been given some transfer guarantees as well

 

[Nostradamus]

Oh please. Klopp finished worse in his first season at Pool than they had the previous 3 seasons. He didn’t improve them that season. He didn’t challenge for top 4. It was a rubbish season. They started to show progress the next season after he got through a transfer window and brought in players that better suited his style.

And, you’re forgetting that we made 4th last season with a final day choke from Napoli. And that we had Ronaldo scoring a boatload of goals and saving us from midtable obscurity last year. We don’t have that this year. We had zero style of play last season. We were a disorganized mess on the pitch 4 out of every 5 matches. Ronaldo and sometimes Chiesa and Morty (early season) saved us from an embarrassing disaster of a season.

Pirlo > Allegri? Y’all are hilarious.

Comparing that boring dinosaur old school Italian coward with Klopp is the only laughable thing here...u sound like the clueless Ole inners from RedCafe. SAF needed time, Klopp needed time, so give everybody time..years of time

He didnt have a full 1st season and when Klopp came in middle of October Liverpool were sitting 10th and I remember very well how he instantly transformed the style of the team and how everybody was baffled that it is possible u could instantly see his style. His team was crap though so of course he could not turn shit to gold during a season with little to no time to coach.

Then the nonsense about how much money he invested the only reason they've got Alisson and van Dijk is selling Coutinho for absurd amount 150m€ to Barca. They r not even in the Top15 when it comes to spending and their net spend is laughably low and now please compare that to Juve spending much more.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/transf...os=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0&plus=0

But go on and spout out the same nonsense about Klopp and support reactive stoneage coaches instead. Just the imagination Allegri coaching my team gives me the creep..shudder.

Please give Allegri much more time..poor fella

 

[s4tch]

But also it would mean sarri and pirlo deserves another shot. They had shitty mids too.

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sarri had the last acceptable midfield, but his personality was never a good match with juve and the squad, how many times it has to be said, incredible.

pirlo's season wasn't that bad in hindsight, that's a fair point.

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if allegri is such a genius. why he always play rabiot as a winger.

define always. and check yesterday's lineup. then apologise and log off lol

LION

 

[kao_ray]

pirlo's season wasn't that bad in hindsight, that's a fair point.

But also having a player like CR7 that scores easily and is a decoy for the opposition defenders is a huge thing in hindsight.

 

[juve123]

But also having a player like CR7 that scores easily and is a decoy for the opposition defenders is a huge thing in hindsight.

Still can't understand our panic signing Kean for 40 million euros and the uncertainty over Ronaldo really left us shell shocked Morata was never a consistent goalscorer but it is Dybala lack of goals that is hurting the most

 

[Post Ironic]

Comparing that boring dinosaur old school Italian coward with Klopp is the only laughable thing here...u sound like the clueless Ole inners from RedCafe. SAF needed time, Klopp needed time, so give everybody time..years of time

He didnt have a full 1st season and when Klopp came in middle of October Liverpool were sitting 10th and I remember very well how he instantly transformed the style of the team and how everybody was baffled that it is possible u could instantly see his style. His team was crap though so of course he could not turn shit to gold during a season with little to no time to coach.

Then the nonsense about how much money he invested the only reason they've got Alisson and van Dijk is selling Coutinho for absurd amount 150m€ to Barca. They r not even in the Top15 when it comes to spending and their net spend is laughably low and now please compare that to Juve spending much more.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/transf...os=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0&plus=0

But go on and spout out the same nonsense about Klopp and support reactive stoneage coaches instead. Just the imagination Allegri coaching my team gives me the creep..shudder.

Please give Allegri much more time..poor fella

The forum’s Bayern jackass shows up to spout more of his pathetic faggotry once again. What an imbecile.

 

[kao_ray]

Morata was never a consistent goalscorer but it is Dybala lack of goals that is hurting the most

Even if we manage to build a good attacking opportunity Morata will most likely miss it/be offside. This is a huge problem, especially when you don't have midfielders capable of scoring.

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The forum’s Bayern jackass shows up to spout more of his pathetic faggotry once again. What an imbecile.

haha, leave this Nazi alone man. Let him suck his own German dick.

 

[Nostradamus]

The forum’s Bayern jackass shows up to spout more of his pathetic faggotry once again. What an imbecile.

did my comments hurt ur feeling u cluess dumb shit

 

[s4tch]

But also having a player like CR7 that scores easily and is a decoy for the opposition defenders is a huge thing in hindsight.

imagine if he stayed and accepted to play cf

that 4-4-2 cancer would kill him too

 

[juve123]

Even if we manage to build a good attacking opportunity Morata will most likely miss it/be offside. This is a huge problem, especially when you don't have midfielders capable of scoring.

It is not only about scoring you see zapata hold up play and link up with other players he is a constant menace while moody Morata goes down like a girl under any challenge