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How did he not learn anything from the final????????? Even Del Piero said it, he needed to change something...going 4231 was NEVER the move, should've always been 433, we CANNOT play a 2 man midfield in europe, ESPECIALLY when those 2 men are fkn khedira and betancur
Now we're fucked per usual and yet another embrassment and laughing stock in europe, i'm so tired of this shit
Now we're fucked per usual and yet another embrassment and laughing stock in europe, i'm so tired of this shit
And even with their superior players and money, im 100% sure that with other mentality and tactics, we would have beaten them yesterday. Sadly we are too scared for shit and cant even pass the ball properly to create half a chance.
For all the hammering you get here, this post in true.
Ill just say that our attack phase is average to mediocre at best. We will not be able to win the last games of the CL run with pure catenaccio anymore. We have to propose something else to the table. If we just were a little better at scoring yesterday, we would have got them... but we are unprepared to attack. No matter what people say, we need to know how to attack and we cant always rely to be in front of the score.
Dont know man... love MArchisio but this goes way beyond a single player..way beyond that.
Food for thought. And this emphasize even more the attacking problem we have and theres no solution in sight.
And this is something that makes me scratch my head.
Or the extremes.. is not fine to throw a young player (betan) against good for nothing serie A teams, but then we can throw him against Barcelona and real madrid to get him murdered. And i know he played well.. but then i ask the million dollar question to Allegri: Why? Why you do this?
Another prime exmaple of pure WTF. Why? Max tell me WHy?
Is rugani not even good enough or serie A? I saw glimpses of his talent before he came here. He played a full serie A season and did it marvelously. I could undertand the slow adaptation process... but using oldmanzagli , no, not frequently using him to see what he has is weird to say the least.
Yup.
Twilight zone.
At least he would get more service and his confidence would be sky high.
Del Piero is just one of the many people who things the same. We played better yesterday because we cant do a cardiff twice, but we almost did anyways. Tactics were part of the problem again obvivosuly,.
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Not having Benatia available, especially considering the form he's been in, was quite the blow. Rugani isn't mean or physical enough to deal with a beast like Ronaldo yet imo. I think Max is developing him nicely, he's likely going to have played around 2000 minutes this season, up from ~1500 each of the last two years, and hopefully next season and the one after he continues to improve and add a bit more nastiness under Chiello's wing. Having Benatia-Chiellini-Rugani-Caldara next year for top 4 CBs will be fantastic.
Their investments have nothing to do with how Pep is able to elevate the level of his attackers. Sane and Sterling look world class under him. De Bruyne is the best player in the league for me and Aguero is Aguero. Ofcourse he's spent a lot of money, who hasnt ? But thats not the point. And this is no Pep-Allegri debate as both have different philosophies. This is a debate solely on Dybala and whether he'd perform better under a different coach with an attacking philosophy. Allegri on the other hand plays pragmatic football without solely relying on a single player which gives us results. Whether the team would perform better and get better results while making Dybala a focal point ? Thats a different discussion altogether.
Juventus, for one have spent nowhere near that sort of money in support of Allegri. Do you not think our attack would look better if it had the kind of midfield support Kroos-Modric-Casemiro provide for Madrid's? Even under Allegri. Our midfield does move the ball forward well. Nor do our fullbacks this year.
And yes, I do agree that Dybala (and Higuain too) would perform better playing under a manager with a more attacking style. Even for our team as currently constructed. But we don't have the midfield and fullbacks (De Sciglio and Sandro in terrible form) to not leak a ton of goals playing that way. We saw it early in the season when we were scoring a ton, and Dybala was in amazing form, but we were very poor at the back.
And yes, I do agree that Dybala (and Higuain too) would perform better playing under a manager with a more attacking style. Even for our team as currently constructed. But we don't have the midfield and fullbacks (De Sciglio and Sandro in terrible form) to not leak a ton of goals playing that way. We saw it early in the season when we were scoring a ton, and Dybala was in amazing form, but we were very poor at the back.
Steve Nicol: "The two chances they had came from set pieces. I'm shocked at how bad Juventus were on the ball. It was really a case of "let's give it to Dybala and see what he can do", because after him, there was absolutely zero coming from anywhere."
An ESPN pundit who only watches us in the Champions League can see what many Juve fans are still denying.
We always play like that. Our midfield is both weak and mostly sucks at keeping the ball let alone creating.
Dybala is by no means excused because he can't keep the fucking ball himself.
Having said that, we either use him as a striker or let's please sell him. A 7/10 CAM would do better than he would in this position.
Dybala is by no means excused because he can't keep the fucking ball himself.
Having said that, we either use him as a striker or let's please sell him. A 7/10 CAM would do better than he would in this position.
How much is down to the coach?
I watched Spain vs Germany, Khedira was up against world class Spanish midfielders, and he played great. He didn't look out of his depth at all. For us he is awful most of the time, great games like the one he had yesterday are sporadic.
Our midfield sucks at creating chances even against average Serie A teams like Atalanta who press us.
Perhaps Max is just not that good at teaching our players how to pass and move?
I watched Spain vs Germany, Khedira was up against world class Spanish midfielders, and he played great. He didn't look out of his depth at all. For us he is awful most of the time, great games like the one he had yesterday are sporadic.
Our midfield sucks at creating chances even against average Serie A teams like Atalanta who press us.
Perhaps Max is just not that good at teaching our players how to pass and move?
I'd like a new coach for fresh ideas with a fresh team but a lot of this is on the individuals
Unless Allegri is spiking their drinks with some sedatives, a lot of their shit is on them as players
Our only physical players in midfield are Matuidi and Sturaro. Both are absolute garbage technically (One more so than the other obviously)
Our only creative midfielder is Pjanic. He's lost trying to pick up the slack in midfield.
Marchisio and Khedira are physically finished and Bentancur might not be up to scratch for another 2-3 seasons even if he has it in him, which isn't a sure thing
I'd love to see a midfield 3 of Pjanic, SMS and Jorginho for example.
Unless Allegri is spiking their drinks with some sedatives, a lot of their shit is on them as players
Our only physical players in midfield are Matuidi and Sturaro. Both are absolute garbage technically (One more so than the other obviously)
Our only creative midfielder is Pjanic. He's lost trying to pick up the slack in midfield.
Marchisio and Khedira are physically finished and Bentancur might not be up to scratch for another 2-3 seasons even if he has it in him, which isn't a sure thing
I'd love to see a midfield 3 of Pjanic, SMS and Jorginho for example.
Allegri has no choice because of Higuain/Dybala. You have to play 4-4-2 or 3-5-2. End of discussion.
I'm absolutely positive Allegri would prefer a 4-3-3 but in that scenario you're basically benching a "100M striker" (either Higuain or Dybala) for Matuidi, Marchisio or something.
Marotta has to fix this problem. This giant, huge problem our team has. And that is Higuain/Dybala have no chemistry and are not good enough to ask the team to defend with only 8 instead of 9.
1 in 100 coaches would bench Dybala/Higuain.
I'm absolutely positive Allegri would prefer a 4-3-3 but in that scenario you're basically benching a "100M striker" (either Higuain or Dybala) for Matuidi, Marchisio or something.
Marotta has to fix this problem. This giant, huge problem our team has. And that is Higuain/Dybala have no chemistry and are not good enough to ask the team to defend with only 8 instead of 9.
1 in 100 coaches would bench Dybala/Higuain.
And you are right again mikem
The dybala higuain issue is the elephant in the room and needs to be solved ASAP even before talking about changing coaches or players.
And is so difficult because we hold onto dybala because of the promise of a saviour who will rise someday, and well because he has a great left foot and some magic here and there..... But the fatman fukin scores and is our only pure 9. The worst is that even with all hic chokiness, is proven that if you serve him assists, he will bag a good amount of them as goals.
Its a fukin terrible headache.
The dybala higuain issue is the elephant in the room and needs to be solved ASAP even before talking about changing coaches or players.
And is so difficult because we hold onto dybala because of the promise of a saviour who will rise someday, and well because he has a great left foot and some magic here and there..... But the fatman fukin scores and is our only pure 9. The worst is that even with all hic chokiness, is proven that if you serve him assists, he will bag a good amount of them as goals.
Its a fukin terrible headache.
Well, yeah. When you have 2 friggin limited CM's playing against 3 WC mids...it sorta shows. Never mind the quality difference...they win automatically by the numbers: 3>2.
When your strikers are dropping back along side your CMs to receive the ball. That's another problem. You have a LB playing winger and your fastest player isn't given the opportunity to attack space...that's two more problems.
I mean, it was pretty blatantly obvious. But hey, Max has zero criticism here folks.
When your strikers are dropping back along side your CMs to receive the ball. That's another problem. You have a LB playing winger and your fastest player isn't given the opportunity to attack space...that's two more problems.
I mean, it was pretty blatantly obvious. But hey, Max has zero criticism here folks.
Unless our management goes all Chelski, even with our financial status we still build and field quality teams.
It's quarter final of CL. If you can recall Bayern's own record against Madrid in KO stages, you should know that these games are decided in a moment to go either way since both teams are going at it.
It's quarter final of CL. If you can recall Bayern's own record against Madrid in KO stages, you should know that these games are decided in a moment to go either way since both teams are going at it.
I'll say it again, it is very very very unlikely that any other coach can get higher results with this group of players than Allegri. Even Conte couldnt match his results and he is a coach that at least initially makes players punch well above their weight and fills them with confidence and self-belief (until l he falls out with management over transfers that is). That is not to say that he doesnt make mistakes in specific games, I am just saying that overall he gets results and usually makes us punch above our weight. This is a limited group of players compared with the big clubs and sadly more rich clubs are emerging with better squads and so the gap will naturally grow.
I see two possible alternate strategies that we could employ to keep growing. This is the naive optimist in me:
1) We change coaches and hire a very attractive but competent coach (Jardim, Sarri, Pep type). We would then get slightly lesser results (we'd probably still win the league as we have the best squad by a mile and all serie A clubs are poor af) but would make big gains aesthetically.
The football would be so aesthetically pleasing that we'd dominate lesser teams with big scores and players like Dybala, Costa and Higuain will be super entertaining to follow and we'd make more money as a result and close the financial gap on the rich by becoming an attractive brand that neutrals follow. The fundamental assumption of this strategy is that we could make huge commercial gains if we play dominant attractive football all the way till we meet a Barca/Bayern/Madrid and get smashed in the CL. This could very well be false because Dybala, Costa and Higuain might not be capable of being attractive enough in an offensive setup. PSG could use this strategy because they could buy Neymar, Ibra etc from owners money and then wait for commercial revenues to pay them back but we dont have that money and will have to use the players we got and can afford.
2) More of the same but adopt a harsher stance on selling key players. Basically this means we keep Allegri or employ a similar coach like Simeone or Inzaghi who plays ugly but can get the team to punch above their weight most of the time. This means we commercially continue with the same brand of football we have been using but slow down the degradation of our squad by keeping the Vidals, Pogbas and Dybalas no matter what. The fundamental assumptions of this strategy are (A) that we can keep those players performing despite forcing them to stay which I believe is very plausible and (B) if we keep those players, then the gap with the rich (in footballing and not financial terms) would shrink and be small enough that facing them with our master tactician coach would be a 50/50 and that would be enough to win the CL.
These assumptions could be false especially B, given the existence of Messi and Ronaldo who having them is like having 2 extra players on the pitch and given their superior buying power in general. Maybe we wont always find steals like Vidal and Pirlo and Pogba.
In short, the gap with Madrid/Barca/Bayern is growing, and there looks to be more teams joining that ultra rich club at least on paper like PSG and City, while our relative buying power is decreasing and our squad quality is degrading. This is bad but we can survive this well if we either become an entertaining but still competent team and make big commercial revs or we can do more of the same but stop losing key players every season and hope our tactician coaches can get us to punch above our weight and win the CL (which will have a good impact on commercial revs as well).
The sad part is that both scenarios seem unlikely given what Marotta has been saying.
I see two possible alternate strategies that we could employ to keep growing. This is the naive optimist in me:
1) We change coaches and hire a very attractive but competent coach (Jardim, Sarri, Pep type). We would then get slightly lesser results (we'd probably still win the league as we have the best squad by a mile and all serie A clubs are poor af) but would make big gains aesthetically.
The football would be so aesthetically pleasing that we'd dominate lesser teams with big scores and players like Dybala, Costa and Higuain will be super entertaining to follow and we'd make more money as a result and close the financial gap on the rich by becoming an attractive brand that neutrals follow. The fundamental assumption of this strategy is that we could make huge commercial gains if we play dominant attractive football all the way till we meet a Barca/Bayern/Madrid and get smashed in the CL. This could very well be false because Dybala, Costa and Higuain might not be capable of being attractive enough in an offensive setup. PSG could use this strategy because they could buy Neymar, Ibra etc from owners money and then wait for commercial revenues to pay them back but we dont have that money and will have to use the players we got and can afford.
2) More of the same but adopt a harsher stance on selling key players. Basically this means we keep Allegri or employ a similar coach like Simeone or Inzaghi who plays ugly but can get the team to punch above their weight most of the time. This means we commercially continue with the same brand of football we have been using but slow down the degradation of our squad by keeping the Vidals, Pogbas and Dybalas no matter what. The fundamental assumptions of this strategy are (A) that we can keep those players performing despite forcing them to stay which I believe is very plausible and (B) if we keep those players, then the gap with the rich (in footballing and not financial terms) would shrink and be small enough that facing them with our master tactician coach would be a 50/50 and that would be enough to win the CL.
These assumptions could be false especially B, given the existence of Messi and Ronaldo who having them is like having 2 extra players on the pitch and given their superior buying power in general. Maybe we wont always find steals like Vidal and Pirlo and Pogba.
In short, the gap with Madrid/Barca/Bayern is growing, and there looks to be more teams joining that ultra rich club at least on paper like PSG and City, while our relative buying power is decreasing and our squad quality is degrading. This is bad but we can survive this well if we either become an entertaining but still competent team and make big commercial revs or we can do more of the same but stop losing key players every season and hope our tactician coaches can get us to punch above our weight and win the CL (which will have a good impact on commercial revs as well).
The sad part is that both scenarios seem unlikely given what Marotta has been saying.