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dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
Nah. It's the same silliness as people who bash uber-successful coaches like Pep. Until Spalletti and Sarri start winning championships and prove they can coach a top top team to its potential, there is no measurable that places them with a coach like Allegri who is far more successful.

I hear every single year from Roma and Napoli players that they are just as good as Juventus players. Higgy smashed the Serie A scoring record last year. Napoli still finished 10 points back. Sarri is a very poor coach defensively. Same deal with Spalletti.
Thats just not true. They play a more offensive game, but they are not bad coaches defensively. Its the same as saying Allegri is bad offensively.

What do you think. Does Roma or Napoli's players match up to what we have?

Allegri has been sucesfull but he has also been given the chance to be so. He was even given a shot to be Juve coach eventhough hes trackrecord from his Milan spell was mixed.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,931
Allegri has been sucesfull but he has also been given the chance to be so. He was even given a shot to be Juve coach eventhough hes trackrecord from his Milan spell was mixed.
True that, he had been blessed with a great winning squad. Not taking too much away and credit where it's due to Allegri but Allegri stuck with same winning formation and team before changing things.

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Juve_fanatic

Second coolest member!
Apr 5, 2006
7,618
If there ever was such a thing as a perfect 10, this is it. Alegri gets a perfect 10 tonight. When you make 2 subs and both subs score immediately after comming in, thats a pure 10. Bravo Allegri.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
Nah. It's the same silliness as people who bash uber-successful coaches like Pep. Until Spalletti and Sarri start winning championships and prove they can coach a top top team to its potential, there is no measurable that places them with a coach like Allegri who is far more successful.

I hear every single year from Roma and Napoli players that they are just as good as Juventus players. Higgy smashed the Serie A scoring record last year. Napoli still finished 10 points back. Sarri is a very poor coach defensively. Same deal with Spalletti.
I like Allegri a lot, but it's still easier to win at Juve, a club used to winning, than at Roma or Napoli.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I like Allegri a lot, but it's still easier to win at Juve, a club used to winning, than at Roma or Napoli.
Of course it is. That's not the point.

What's ludicrous is calling a coach with absolutely no track-record like Sarri a better coach than Allegri. You could say it's hard to compare the two and it is, but the only thing in Sarri's favour is that some people find the football his teams play attractive. But what evidence is there that he is a better coach? He hasn't won anything.

Until coaches like that go to a big club and succeed, they just cannot compare to a guy like Allegri.

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True that, he had been blessed with a great winning squad. Not taking too much away and credit where it's due to Allegri but Allegri stuck with same winning formation and team before changing things.

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What? He switched to 4-3-1-2 and used very unorthodox CAMs in Vidal and Pereyra to get us to a CL final.

Allegri is massively underrated here. People were saying we might miss CL places in Serie A when we hired him. But now 2 straight domestic doubles and a CL final are considered "meh".

Ridiculous
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,931
Of course it is. That's not the point.

What's ludicrous is calling a coach with absolutely no track-record like Sarri a better coach than Allegri. You could say it's hard to compare the two and it is, but the only thing in Sarri's favour is that some people find the football his teams play attractive. But what evidence is there that he is a better coach? He hasn't won anything.

Until coaches like that go to a big club and succeed, they just cannot compare to a guy like Allegri.

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What? He switched to 4-3-1-2 and used very unorthodox CAMs in Vidal and Pereyra to get us to a CL final.
Yeah but how long did it take him to change?

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Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
All the same, neither one of Sarri or Spalletti has a resume a fraction of Allegri's.

And yes, they are at smaller clubs... but until they prove they can outperform expectations at those small clubs like Simeone, or move to a big club and succeed there, it's pretty clearly Allegri is the better and more proven coach.

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When Napoli played, I said I would make a suicide jump, when Danish pundits don't mention anything about "classical Italian football. In tonights game, it took the commentator only 2 minutes to coclude that our 4-2-3-1 was actually a 4-4-2 the classical italian way.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
True that, he had been blessed with a great winning squad. Not taking too much away and credit where it's due to Allegri but Allegri stuck with same winning formation and team before changing things.

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Agreed


Starting 3-5-2 but switching to 4-3-1-2, moving to assymetric 4-4-2, ending at 4-4-2 squared, moving back to 3-5-2 without vidal/pirlo, switching to 4-3-1-2 again when needed, and going midseason to a completely radical 4-2-3-1 with a Cf playing left wing and a soft cm.



Fucking allegri beeing stuck with that same formation !

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Yeah but how long did it take him to change?

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When the situation demanded it to



You see, this radical idea that 3-5-2 is the root of all evil and must be dumped, is ridiculous and wrong
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
I like Allegri a lot, but it's still easier to win at Juve, a club used to winning, than at Roma or Napoli.
Yes. But Allegri did not just win at Juve. He also got the team to a CL final (where we played an even game with Barcelona) and played two even games with Bayern, the next year (a team which was probably the best team in Europe).

Edit: We should've won in Bayern.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Yeah but how long did it take him to change?

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He changed our formation immediately after the group stage in 14-15. So don't be ridiculous.

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When Napoli played, I said I would make a suicide jump, when Danish pundits don't mention anything about "classical Italian football. In tonights game, it took the commentator only 2 minutes to coclude that our 4-2-3-1 was actually a 4-4-2 the classical italian way.
:lol2:

It's understandable they do it, considering Juve fans right here do the same thing too.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
He changed our formation immediately after the group stage in 14-15. So don't be ridiculous.

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It's understandable they do it, considering Juve fans right here do the same thing too.
Listen. A couple a weeks ago, when Torino beat Pescara 5-3, they called it dilettantish defending in the headline. As surprised as I am, to see the word 'dilettantish' used in sport news, there's no chance it would be the headline of English or Spanish football. Just look at yesterdays games.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Listen. A couple a weeks ago, when Torino beat Pescara 5-3, they called it dilettantish defending in the headline. As surprised as I am, to see the word 'dilettantish' used in sport news, there's no chance it would be the headline of English or Spanish football. Just look at yesterdays games.
:tup:

It's amusing how biased the rest of the footballing world is against Italian football style. Even more amusing when you see Ranieri last year and Conte this year in the PL. Add a little bit of tactical nous and football becomes so much more interesting to watch.
 

lgorTudor

Senior Member
Jan 15, 2015
32,951
Football industry is selling a range of products. The 'Italian' breed of football doesn't appear to the masses and doesn't generate any money. Broadcasters don't buy Serie A rights. Pubs don't earn money by showing Serie A games. Articles with in-depth analysis don't generate clicks. The industry earns more $$$ by producing and marketing more of the popular product, the 'english' breed of football. Competitiveness of a particular style doesn't matter at all. For most casual watchers in my surroundings the quality of a football game is purely determined by the amount of goals. Everybody wants a slice of that cake. Seamus' favourite sports show (to avoid sex with Shannon cos she doesn't wash her genitalia) is always gonna be the type that ranks EPL wingers by their speed
 

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