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It's funny how radically different the responses in this thread would have been had that Porto defender managed to clear the ball instead of setting up Pjaca.

Some people would be calling for his head
 

spurdo

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I liked the approach; safe passes, rigid positioning and slowly grinding out some chances while the opposition starts to tire from the constant defending. Then just wreck 'em with some off the bench firepower in the last 20 minutes. Going gung-ho is what a team like Arsenal would do in this situation.
 

Osman

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It's funny how radically different the responses in this thread would have been had that Porto defender managed to clear the ball instead of setting up Pjaca.

Some people would be calling for his head
Nah our wings, primarily Cuadrado were awful, Dybala really sloppy while Higuain and Mandzu closed off due to insanely poor crosses and bunker defence, not exactly where in that Allegri was too accountable for players mistakes.

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Nah our wings, primarily Cuadrado were awful, Dybala really sloppy while Higuain and Mandzu closed off due to insanely poor crosses and bunker defence, not exactly where in that Allegri was too accountable for players mistakes.

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I wasn't criticizing him I think he was right in the cautious approach and it paid off being patient just that the responses in this thread are largely positive becasue of an awful mistake from a Porto player
 

dolph

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I liked the approach; safe passes, rigid positioning and slowly grinding out some chances while the opposition starts to tire from the constant defending. Then just wreck 'em with some off the bench firepower in the last 20 minutes. Going gung-ho is what a team like Arsenal would do in this situation.
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Really liked the approach. Played it safe and just made sure we kept concentration up. The subs was spot on to.

The best thing was Sturururu in the stands.
 

JuveJay

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Cuadrado was an absolute joke. He's in the team precisely for games like this to unlock teams, but he has spells where he gets almost everything wrong.

Coaches always look good when their subs do well, but tbh the Pjaca sub was an absolute certainty at that point, and then when the goal came getting Lichtsteiner off the field was the next easy call. For him they both turned into gold.

I don't think the game conditions suited great performances from the team or individuals, the game was in our hands after 28 mins, and sometimes it is easier to throw it away with brainless football than it is the manage the game. At times we went the other way and were too cautious, we also tried to walk the ball in too much, but these teams generally aren't built to sit and defend all game, and we are used to doing that in our league. Time and again you see Juve get goals when they look like they aren't really building any momentum, that's a mixture of mentality and extra quality.
 

Post Ironic

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He proces he was a better coach by beating a 10 man Porto team?

Good job tonight, and good job since the formation switch in general, but both Spalletti and Sarri are good coaches to.
All the same, neither one of Sarri or Spalletti has a resume a fraction of Allegri's.

And yes, they are at smaller clubs... but until they prove they can outperform expectations at those small clubs like Simeone, or move to a big club and succeed there, it's pretty clearly Allegri is the better and more proven coach.

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Allegri: 'Mature Juve beat Porto'
By Football Italia staff

Max Allegri saw “maturity” from Juventus as they pushed past 10-man Porto in the Champions League and a “change of attitude” from Marko Pjaca.

Alex Telles received two yellow cards in quick succession to leave Porto down to 10 men for over an hour, though substitutes Pjaca and Dani Alves got the late goals.

“The team did well in terms of character and we were only under pressure for five minutes, then controlled the game both with 11 against 11 and 11 against 10,” the Coach told Mediaset Premium after the 2-0 victory.

“The lads were patient, tried to widen the opposition and we brought home an important victory. It could’ve been 3-0, but this is fine.”

It’s a particularly impressive boost after Leonardo Bonucci was sent to the stands due to his touchline row with Allegri.

“During the season there are always going to be moments of tension, but we were able to ride it out.”

Juve are unbeaten since moving to the 4-2-3-1 formation, which remains surprisingly solid despite using so many attack-minded players.

“I wanted to change system because the team needed more room to breathe. We have to improve and become more confident in this system, there’s a long way to go and we can do so much better.

“Games are not just played with 14 figures who take to the field, but all 23 were concentrated. There are many targets this season and we need everyone to show hunger and enjoyment.

“The lads showed their maturity tonight. It wasn’t easy for Porto, as Juve are in great form and devastating when moving the ball quickly. Porto only ever defended tonight.”

Pjaca came off the bench and scored his first goal in the Bianconeri jersey.

“I already saw from Saturday that the lad was changing attitude and he understood that some things are not enough when playing in Italian football. He is changing his attitude and already has the technique, pace and talent. He is young and we need patience with young players.”
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dolph

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All the same, neither one of Sarri or Spalletti has a resume a fraction of Allegri's.

And yes, they are at smaller clubs... but until they prove they can outperform expectations at those small clubs like Simeone, or move to a big club and succeed there, it's pretty clearly Allegri is the better and more proven coach.
Allegri is more proven, but a better coach os your subjektive opinion, just as my subjektive opinion is that Spalletti and Sarri are the better coaches.

Lets be honest here, Napoli and Roma are teams build to fight for CHL places, while Juve is a team build to fight for the CHL. Roma and Napoli combined has maybe 1-2 players who could make it into Juves starting lineup, so their performances should not be compared to Juves.

When rating coaches, you should see how much a coach is able to get out of the team he is given, and in my opinion Spalletti and Sarri gets more out of there respective teams than Alllegri.
 

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Allegri is more proven, but a better coach os your subjektive opinion, just as my subjektive opinion is that Spalletti and Sarri are the better coaches.

Lets be honest here, Napoli and Roma are teams build to fight for CHL places, while Juve is a team build to fight for the CHL. Roma and Napoli combined has maybe 1-2 players who could make it into Juves starting lineup, so their performances should not be compared to Juves.

When rating coaches, you should see how much a coach is able to get out of the team he is given, and in my opinion Spalletti and Sarri gets more out of there respective teams than Alllegri.
Nah. It's the same silliness as people who bash uber-successful coaches like Pep. Until Spalletti and Sarri start winning championships and prove they can coach a top top team to its potential, there is no measurable that places them with a coach like Allegri who is far more successful.

I hear every single year from Roma and Napoli players that they are just as good as Juventus players. Higgy smashed the Serie A scoring record last year. Napoli still finished 10 points back. Sarri is a very poor coach defensively. Same deal with Spalletti.
 

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