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BayernFan

Senior Member
Feb 17, 2016
7,123
Klopp is a different version of Guardiola. Both will play their ideal football even if it takes them to the grave, without any clue of how to change things if they go wrong

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You can go have a drink with Vidal if you guys lose. Im sure he needs someone to drink with him once the entire team passes out around 2 in the morning
Yeah thats pretty much it. They both really need to adjust especially with the players they got right now. Liverpools team is mediocre at best in 9 out of 10 positions and Peps team also. He got bigger quality though, but nothing like he can play tiki-taka with.

A great idea. :tup:
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
To me Klopp is a bit overrated. Sure he is a great manager, but also mostly a one trick pony. Pressing with much energy and then counter, but if teams dont give him/hes team the space he really dont got a plan B. Im really curious to see how he will do with Liverpool the next couple of years - should he stay and not get fired.

If he win them a PL title or two im ready to praise him for sure. But for now i think he gets to much credit. What he did in Dortmund was great, but honestly Bayern was a mess in 2011, and 2012 Bayern chocked hard in all competitions. He then reached the CL final which offcourse was a great achivement, but after that he really been mediocre imo.
Maybe we're dicussing this on a wrong premise. Football has changed and just like the team is no one player depended, the same goes for the management of the club. This is something discussed heavily on Tuz, because of :beppe:

Edit: About Klopp: He did do a really great job, at some point, but I also believe it had more to do with ideal conditions than skills.
 

Gep

The Guv'nor
Jun 12, 2005
16,493
He would be even greater if he hired an assistant that would be his NFL like defensive coach, just in charge of making sure things tick in D line and arent too risky. Because Pep football is actually good defensively when it comes to attack and midfield, he demands they pressure and are aggressive at all times, but the stubborness became worse with each year when he became more and more bold with approach to the point of ignoring defense line, the estetic dream to play champagne football got in the way of practical tactics when facing bigger opponents.
So what's the difference with him and Arsene Wenger? In terms of playing style not trophies.
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
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Do you remember Kratts' Creatures? :heart:
Yesss!! Then they made Zaboomafoo :touched::touched:

When I was younger I used to watch dbz and national geographic religiously, I LOVED reading/watching shows about animals. I remember when i was in kindergarden, teacher asked us what we wanted to be when we grow up, I said I wanted to be like tarzan and kick it with the gorrillas :touched:
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
But if you disagree you gotta say why. Didnt Mou and Pep had unlimited money to spend in the summer? Didnt they have freedom to sign (almost) whoever they want? Werent they huge favorites by anyone who didnt know Conte to win the league? Did Spalletti and Sarri have the same luxus? Didnt the 2 of them lose their best players and replaced them with nobodies? And they are doing better than the overrated duo from Manchester
My point is that - I believe - you're vastly overrating Napoli and Roma. I really liked Spalletti once, but he has showned not to be a top team coach. We don't know shit about Sarri. It looks good in Serie A, but horrible in Europe.
 

BayernFan

Senior Member
Feb 17, 2016
7,123
I still rate Mourinho despite his poor form of late. He won the CL with Porto and managed to do well with Inter in the CL, an achievement that a lot did not think was possible. Also he helped make Real Madrid a force in Europe again, when they had not qualified to the quarters for 8 years in a row at one point. Point is I've seen Mourinho inherit teams which were poor in a certain aspect then change them.
@BayernFan

What is your view of Guardiola? When I visited Bayern Zone it seemed that the majority were happy that he had gone.
To be honest with you, right now i miss him because we are in a poor shape. But its mostly just like with an x girlfriend when youre thinking back, then you only remember the good things at times, and completly forgot the shitty things. When it was announced that Ancelotti would overtake Pep i was really happy. Also because we then wouldnt play with such a high defensive line in CL knockout games anymore.

But the last 4 matches we really played shitty, nothing i can remember we did like that under Pep. I just hope that we start to raise our level now when we need it the most, and not like under Pep where we mostly played brilliant just before the crucial matches (taking the Atletico match home away).

I rate Pep but he also got big weakness, but when his teams click and plays the best football its a joy to watch.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Yesss!! Then they made Zaboomafoo :touched::touched:

When I was younger I used to watch dbz and national geographic religiously, I LOVED reading/watching shows about animals. I remember when i was in kindergarden, teacher asked us what we wanted to be when we grow up, I said I wanted to be like tarzan and kick it with the gorrillas :touched:
:D

I loved that shit too. Zoboomafoo was a little after my time... But Kratts was amazing.

 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,502
So what's the difference with him and Arsene Wenger? In terms of playing style not trophies.
I don't see any similarity really, technical football in general but quite different approaches and attitudes. Pep has alot more flowing movement, suffocating opponents with waves, positional changes and incredibly drilled in attacking patterns, pretty aggressive pressuring. He's a lot more demanding then Wenger. Bayern faced Arsenal and their football was quite different, and not in just quality.

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Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
I still rate Mourinho despite his poor form of late. He won the CL with Porto and managed to do well with Inter in the CL, an achievement that a lot did not think was possible. Also he helped make Real Madrid a force in Europe again, when they had not qualified to the quarters for 8 years in a row at one point. Point is I've seen Mourinho inherit teams which were poor in a certain aspect then change them.
@BayernFan

What is your view of Guardiola? When I visited Bayern Zone it seemed that the majority were happy that he had gone.
You can't take Porto away from him, but it was also a year where Moncao made the final. The rest of the teams (till Real), he got the players he wanted. Just before the season started in Serie A (where he won The Treble), he said he got the team he wanted.
 

Gep

The Guv'nor
Jun 12, 2005
16,493
I don't see any similarity really, technical football in general but quite different approaches and attitudes. Pep has alot more flowing movement, suffocating opponents with waves, positional changes and incredibly drilled in attacking patterns, pretty aggressive pressuring. He's a lot more demanding then Wenger. Bayern faced Arsenal and their football was quite different, and not in just quality.

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Either way, both are stubborn old cunts in their approach. I know I'll probably get rinsed for this but I've always like Arsene Wenger. He's turned stale at N5 in recent years but I've always been a fan of his philosophy.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,502
Either way, both are stubborn old cunts in their approach. I know I'll probably get rinsed for this but I've always like Arsene Wenger. He's turned stale at N5 in recent years but I've always been a fan of his philosophy.
Used to be a fan until 2008-2009 or so. Lost his marbles around then. Completely deluded and naive.


Wenger doesn't care to win, so it's huge insult to Pep who is fairly psychotic about football and winning.

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zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
My point is that - I believe - you're vastly overrating Napoli and Roma. I really liked Spalletti once, but he has showned not to be a top team coach. We don't know shit about Sarri. It looks good in Serie A, but horrible in Europe.
Sarri made it to the next round in the CL, as the 1st placed team. Hes likely gonna finish top3 2 out of 2 times now. Spalletti took Roma over when they were in a crisis and looked like they will miss out on CL. He qualified them there and will likely so the same this season. Hos only chokejob so far is not beating Porto, we will see if he will compensate for that in EL. Note that both lost their best players to the team they are trailing to right now and still managed to stay over the competition. I dont think I overrate them honestly
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,255
Used to be a fan until 2008-2009 or so. Lost his marbles around then. Completely deluded and naive.


Wenger doesn't care to win, so it's huge insult to Pep who is fairly psychotic about football and winning.

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I'd put them on the same level, with Wenger being a little unlucky throughout his career, and Pep landing the jackpot early on.
 

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