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Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,762
Klopp... $#@! you trollin
well Ancellotti is unlikely.
Pep is impossible.
Mourinho impossible and don't like his tactics
Same goes for Simeone.
Klopp is the only one who impressed me with his Dortmund 4-3-3

Honestly my man would be Ancelotti: italian,capable,offensive mind,won 3 champions league and manage to deal with many strong players.
 

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zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
well Ancellotti is unlikely.
Pep is impossible.
Mourinho impossible and don't like his tactics
Same goes for Simeone.
Klopp is the only one who impressed me with his Dortmund 4-3-3

Honestly my man would be Ancelotti: italian,capable,offensive mind,won 3 champions league and manage to deal with many strong players.
@DAiDEViL
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,040
well Ancellotti is unlikely.
Pep is impossible.
Mourinho impossible and don't like his tactics
Same goes for Simeone.
Klopp is the only one who impressed me with his Dortmund 4-3-3

Honestly my man would be Ancelotti: italian,capable,offensive mind,won 3 champions league and manage to deal with many strong players.
The man who failed to get us out of groups, when he had the likes of Zizou and Ale. :p
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Feb 20, 2016
26,829
I said this a couple of days ago. Chiellini just confirmed it. We want to be like ATM not like Bayern and Barca. Its the mentality/approach thats the problem not the quality on paper. I am very disappointed he said this.

""With all due respect, but Juventus are not Real Madrid or the AC Milan of Ronaldinho's days,"
"We have to win 1-0 or 2-0. It's in the club's DNA. That does not mean we will not try to win 3-0, but we are a team that cannot concede a goal when we are ahead. :sergio:

"We are not like Real and will never be like them. We have different characteristics.

"Atletico Madrid have not reached the top in Europe by winning games 5-0 or 6-0. You need balance.":sergio:

"You could lose some of your sharpness if people are saying you have already won Serie A and are a Champions League contender.":sergio:



Wow, the article in the player thread didn't even show all the quotes. Even more shameful.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,652
yup i'd dream to see us playing with the front 3 being Pjaca-Higuain-Dybala
Once Marchisio is Back with Khedira-Marchisio-Pjanic and Sandro and Cuadrado on the flanks we'd have a real chance to fight for the champions league
Pjaca looks promising, but i wouldn't already play him as a starter, he's done nothing yet.
Even more ridiculous to change formation just to fit him in, not to mention we lack back up wingers
To make the 433 our main formation. We will see it every now and then (451 style) in the CL, just like the 4312.

The 352 with the right players (A.Sandro, D.Alves and Pjanic) on the pitch, is still the best formation and allows us to play our best 11. It has it all, counter attacks through the wings set up by Pjanic + BBC steel at the back.

Sevilla won't happen again and it's unfair to bash the 352 (and god knows i used to hate the 352) Just because of that one game.

The 352 with Alex Sandro and Dani Alves/Cuadrado on the wings can't be compared to the ugly ass 532 we used to see under Conte, because Allegri doesn't play it as static as antonio did, but mostly because Asa and Licht did offer nothig going forward.

But that's just my opinion.

And btw. It isn't true we never perform in the CL. it became a lot better under Allegri, let's not forget that just because of one draw against Sevilla.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Now we should replace Allegri because of a 0-0 draw with Sevilla, who didn't have a single chance on goal the entire game...

He made some poor tactical selections, sure. But Khedira, Dybala, Higuain, or Sandro convert one of the half-dozen excellent chances we had and no one says a thing. 9 times out of 10, that match is a 1-0 or 2-0 win. Sevilla was very organized and excellent at the back, but we had some very good chances nevertheless.

Allegri is a fantastic coach. People need to stfu with this nonsense about never performing in CL. We just played in a CL final 16 months ago. If that's not performing I'm really unsure as to what is.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
I said this a couple of days ago. Chiellini just confirmed it. We want to be like ATM not like Bayern and Barca. Its the mentality/approach thats the problem not the quality on paper. I am very disappointed he said this.

""With all due respect, but Juventus are not Real Madrid or the AC Milan of Ronaldinho's days,"
"We have to win 1-0 or 2-0. It's in the club's DNA. That does not mean we will not try to win 3-0, but we are a team that cannot concede a goal when we are ahead. :sergio:

"We are not like Real and will never be like them. We have different characteristics.

"Atletico Madrid have not reached the top in Europe by winning games 5-0 or 6-0. You need balance.":sergio:

"You could lose some of your sharpness if people are saying you have already won Serie A and are a Champions League contender.":sergio:



yeh, this was disheartening and really fuked up my morning, because if Chiellini says this, is because this is the identity the whole team has.
It really makes me bored about things to come.

i'm really disappointed in Allegri.
I for once would like to see a open minded coach.
Someone able to bring out true potential from our team.

Someone who will finally dare to play with three strikers. Like we did under Lippi.
I can understand being conservative in Serie A as defence>attack in Italy.
But not in champions league where to win you have to attack and not just defend.

I think already did his best and next summer Juventus management should look for another coach possibly someone who is not so "italian".
Ill not call for his head because is way WAYY too early for that. But yes, if he goes, i would love someone like Carletto, who is very different from the Carletto that coached us and now is a top european coach who knows what needs to be done to win the thing.

I want someone to really make us play like a CL contender who dominates. We are not Atletico MAdrid, we are a team who has a lot of attacking power. We need to play like one.

Now we should replace Allegri because of a 0-0 draw with Sevilla, who didn't have a single chance on goal the entire game...

He made some poor tactical selections, sure. But Khedira, Dybala, Higuain, or Sandro convert one of the half-dozen excellent chances we had and no one says a thing. 9 times out of 10, that match is a 1-0 or 2-0 win. Sevilla was very organized and excellent at the back, but we had some very good chances nevertheless.

Allegri is a fantastic coach. People need to stfu with this nonsense about never performing in CL. We just played in a CL final 16 months ago. If that's not performing I'm really unsure as to what is.
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Listen, theres no secret we have a superb defence. Thats not the problem. The problem is not that Sevilla didnt scored. The problem is that we were afraid of destroying in our home game against a winnable team. The problem is that Allegri set up the team cowardly in a game we should have gone all guns blazing and send a strong message of power to the rest fo the world. Instead, he got contefied and went out to prevent sevilla from winning instead of making our guys dominate and win. When he saw he shitted badly, it was alteady too late. Way too late.
He knew he made a mistake and even the he hesitated to correct it for who knows what reason. Thats the problem.

And about your CL final comment. I really liked how allegri set up the team every game from the Olympiacos game to the very final. He was inventive and eager....but after our bad start last season...he ditched all the good things he did after the oly game and returned to the conte formula of not losing.

yeah , it was called for in that moment because we didnt had the players to perform in a 4312 until Marchisio came back.... but now we have more qualified personnel and a hel of an attack, including to interesting wingers like cuadrado and Pjaca. But is still focusing on a defensive formation. Its weird as fuck and if you ask me..he really has regressed from what he did in that CL final run.

Look at how we approached the first bayern game last year. it was shameful. And then when we tried to mend for our mistake, it was too late.

What i want to our team to prevent those kind of scenarios...and this year, with the buy of Higuain, Pjanic and the rest, We have zero excuse not to go all in and at least try to achieve something worhty of Juventus and the budget we spend.

I hope this was an attention call for him and from now on he prepare better the games and use the attacking players we have to the max, even if it means switching formations and getting out of his comfort zone.

That bad start from last year seemed to really scare him for life.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I hope this was an attention call for him and from now on he prepare better the games and use the attacking players we have to the max, even if it means switching formations and getting out of his comfort zone.

That bad start from last year seemed to really scare him for life
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I'm not going to respond to the rest. This is just nonsense. The bad start last year? We started Serie A poorly, but started CL very well.

This year is the opposite, although some of you doomsayers are being utterly ridiculous. It was a draw. Not a loss. Against the toughest team in our group. And sure it'd be nice to have won, but a draw is not the end of the fucking world.

Secondly, if the bad start (in Serie A) scared him for life... why the heck did he open it up and play blow for blow offensive football against Bayern?

Seriously. Get a grip, man. This is pathetic. It's 1 game. We didn't even lose. We weren't outplayed. Etc.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,652
Don't bring up the Bayern away game, because it was awesome...if
Uncle "I LOVE THIS GAME!" Pat didn't try to dribble Vidal seconds before the final whistle.

See, got me all mad again. Won't be able to sleep tonight.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
I'm not going to respond to the rest. This is just nonsense. The bad start last year? We started Serie A poorly, but started CL very well.

This year is the opposite, although some of you doomsayers are being utterly ridiculous. It was a draw. Not a loss. Against the toughest team in our group. And sure it'd be nice to have won, but a draw is not the end of the $#@!ing world.
Again, the result is not the (whole) problem. Is the way Max set us up and why he did it.

Its early to judge him. but even then this doesnt make it any easy to diggest.

Secondly, if the bad start (in Serie A) scared him for life... why the heck did he open it up and play blow for blow offensive football against Bayern?

Seriously. Get a grip, man. This is pathetic. It's 1 game. We didn't even lose. We weren't outplayed. Etc.
This answer is easy. Because: We had nothing to lose after that horrid home game and in the final minutes of the first game he realized he didnt have to be so afraid of bayern and could actually hurt them. Now, why he didnt set up the team that way from minute one and instead he ordered everyone to contain bayern at home?. Because he was afraid and nervous.

"We didnt got put played, we didnt lose, first game etc". yeah we got a point, yay.
Im not satisfied with our attitude and approach in a home game we could have offered more. Simple.

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Don't bring up the Bayern away game, because it was awesome...if
Uncle "I LOVE THIS GAME!" Pat didn't try to dribble Vidal seconds before the final whistle.

See, got me all mad again. Won't be able to sleep tonight.
It was awesome because we believed we could do it, and the players were playing were well aware that the worst was already behind them.

But heres the thing: If we want to turn into a big team...we need to believe we can win from the beggining of the tie...when EVERYTHING is at stake and everyone is crapping their pants because of the nerves. THEREs when we fail and turtle up thinking we cant win....just to let it all go once we have 2 or 3 goals in our nets and all the nerviousness and pressure is relieved.

Its like if the guys think "Ok, now that we already crapped ourselves and i feel better now after those goals went in... i now can try to play without feeling any fear because it cant get worse right?".

This is what i hate.
 

Juvellino

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2015
7,145
I said this a couple of days ago. Chiellini just confirmed it. We want to be like ATM not like Bayern and Barca. Its the mentality/approach thats the problem not the quality on paper. I am very disappointed he said this.

""With all due respect, but Juventus are not Real Madrid or the AC Milan of Ronaldinho's days,"
"We have to win 1-0 or 2-0. It's in the club's DNA. That does not mean we will not try to win 3-0, but we are a team that cannot concede a goal when we are ahead. :sergio:

"We are not like Real and will never be like them. We have different characteristics.

"Atletico Madrid have not reached the top in Europe by winning games 5-0 or 6-0. You need balance.":sergio:

"You could lose some of your sharpness if people are saying you have already won Serie A and are a Champions League contender.":sergio:



Atletico Madrid plays their style because they have to. They don't have the funds Barcelona and Real Madrid have so they play a different and cheaper style that counters their tactics very well. They also have the perfect manager and the reason I say he is the best manager is because Atletico wouldn't be anywhere near where they are without him. I thought we had moved on from that stage now that we have more funds than before and on paper have a top 4-5 squad in Europe but the mentality is still there. It might not ever go away. And I'm not sure that I want it to go away.
 

dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
After trying their best in signing the new players to improve the team, I think our management doesn't mind a foreign coach if this current team failed hard at CL.
There are a lot of good coaches in Italy at the moment, who playes positive football. Sarri and Spalletti are both good coaches, who would do well here. I am particularly impressed by Sarri, who really understands how to give a team an identity. EDF and Sousa (not Italien) could also be interesting choices when the Allegri era is over one day.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
And I'm not sure that I want it to go away.
Traditions and nostalgia are fine, but not at the price of not winning. If the mentality needs to evolve for the better, we must evolve.
Im not saying we should emulate barcelona and madrid without knowing who we are....but one thing i know is a fact....Juve has 20 years of not wining the CL and our performances have not been stellar with consistency.

I think the answer is something in between and playing like our 90´s CL winning team did. Not about only about tactics, but about big team mentality.

We are too accustomed to not winning, in europe that is.
 

Juvellino

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2015
7,145
Sarri crashed out of Europe last year. Spalletti just crashed out of CL with Roma. I could understand EDF I would hire him after the Allegri era but the Allegri era still has at least a couple years. It's one CL match. It was a disgrace but it was one match and I believe we will get over it.

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Traditions and nostalgia are fine, but not at the price of not winning. If the mentality needs to evolve for the better, we must evolve.
Im not saying we should emulate barcelona and madrid without knowing who we are....but one thing i know is a fact....Juve has 20 years of not wining the CL and our performances have not been stellar with consistency.

I think the answer is something in between and playing like our 90´s CL winning team did. Not about only about tactics, but about big team mentality.

We are too accustomed to not winning, in europe that is.
I would welcome something in between as a solution :tup:
 

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