Massimiliano Allegri (132 Viewers)

[Oz_Bianconero88]

Please stop mythologizing Carrera. He did great during his REALLY SHORT span but that doesn't mean he would do any good if he was a full time first team coach. Remember that Conte was still behind that team back then during every day work. Carrera only replaced him during games and still was probably getting some messages from him.

I mean surely if he was this super talented manager, like some people here are trying to make him, at least a middle-table team would give him a chance already.

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He would most likely be just another Ciro Ferrara.

It isn't about mythology at all, it is about facts, however you are indeed right about it being from a short sample period, but better a short sample than none (and at least that sample period is with our own club and many of the same players).

At the time it happened, the pressure was on Juventus hard, we'd just broken our drought/duck, we were defending scudetto holder, much of the anti-juve Italian press was baying for blood given the calciopoli hangover and the controversy surrounding Conte's supposed conduct. Conte may have been in the background but Carrera still had to deliver where it mattered and still had to respond to events on the pitch as they unfolded; and as far as I'm concerned, I'm yet to see better timed, and more apt and astute substitutions, given the personnel available, than the one's Carrera made whilst at the helm. With all that pressure piled on him, he kept the boys focused on each and every game, the few games we found ourselves behind he had the requisite daring, drive and grinta to push them on and to make the right tactical calls. A lot of coaches would've fumbled or even lost their nerve in either (or both) Chelsea games (given they were current CL champions), yet Carrera handled both games in a sublime fashion. Give the man the rightful dues he deserves.

 

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[Vlad]

How is Serie A weaker than the past 4 seasons?

Arguably the strongest championship post calciopolli.

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Some people seem to take it as a sign we will win the scudetto again.

We just got badly outplayed at home by mid table Torino. If Serie A wasn't the weakest it's ever been we'd probably be even lower in the standings.

The top 3 teams in Serie A.

Fiorentina is also bottom of their Europa League group.

Inter is not even playing in Europe this year.

Roma has 2 points from 3 games in a weak Champion's League group.

omg

 

[Nzoric]

Some people seem to take it as a sign we will win the scudetto again.

We just got badly outplayed at home by mid table Torino. If Serie A wasn't the weakest it's ever been we'd probably be even lower in the standings.

The top 3 teams in Serie A.

Fiorentina is also bottom of their Europa League group.

Inter is not even playing in Europe this year.

Roma has 2 points from 3 games in a weak Champion's League group.

I disagree that Serie a is the its weakest ever. Plenty of good teams with good players atm.

 

[JCK]

How is Serie A weaker than the past 4 seasons?

Because we are weaker.

 

[j0ker]

Because we are weaker.

But overall the league is stronger.

 

[Hist]

How is Serie A weaker than the past 4 seasons?

Juve is dead

 

[Xperd]

Overall league quality has definitely improved but the team(s) at the top has/have gotten weaker much like EPL tho they are a rich man's version.
You don't judge a league's quality just by looking at the strength of the top 1-2 teams.
Bundesliga and Ligue 1 are still terrible leagues overall in my opinion.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'd rather have a caretaker coach to finish out the season if he fails to get through group stage and we're in 10th place at Christmas. He has 6 weeks to show he can turn things around imo.

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And you don't have agenda?

Give it a rest.

I agree with the Christmas timeline. If by Christmas were not in a much better position I believe you should bring in a new coach preferably Ancelloti and let him get to work with the January mercato forward

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Overall league quality has definitely improved but the team(s) at the top has/have gotten weaker much like EPL tho they are a rich man's version.
You don't judge a league's quality just by looking at the strength of the top 1-2 teams.
Bundesliga and Ligue 1 are still terrible leagues overall in my opinion.

Also agree. The serie A is the most competitive. The rest of the leagues have two or three top teams and he others might as well be pick up squads

 

[Salvo]

Keeping Morata out on the left hurt the team going forward. When he did drift in and played as a CF that can hold the ball and be played off the movement of the ball looked a bit more fluid. But the main problem is the attitude after the first goal. We weren't at all prepared to put Toro to the sword and instead sat deeper and deeper inviting them to attack the goal. Its not as if we didn't risk anything and got unlucky again with a freak goal conceded. We were lucky not two concede a second goal.

 

[radekas]

But his in-match decisions......

Were great, but in-match decisions are only a small part of football manager's job.

It isn't about mythology at all, it is about facts, however you are indeed right about it being from a short sample period, but better a short sample than none (and at least that sample period is with our own club and many of the same players).

At the time it happened, the pressure was on Juventus hard, we'd just broken our drought/duck, we were defending scudetto holder, much of the anti-juve Italian press was baying for blood given the calciopoli hangover and the controversy surrounding Conte's supposed conduct. Conte may have been in the background but Carrera still had to deliver where it mattered and still had to respond to events on the pitch as they unfolded; and as far as I'm concerned, I'm yet to see better timed, and more apt and astute substitutions, given the personnel available, than the one's Carrera made whilst at the helm. With all that pressure piled on him, he kept the boys focused on each and every game, the few games we found ourselves behind he had the requisite daring, drive and grinta to push them on and to make the right tactical calls. A lot of coaches would've fumbled or even lost their nerve in either (or both) Chelsea games (given they were current CL champions), yet Carrera handled both games in a sublime fashion. Give the man the rightful dues he deserves.

All true but still the only aspect of football manager's job this tells us anything about is in-match decisions. We have no idea if he's able to handle every-day training. Does he have any tactical mind? Can he motivate players? All of this was handled by Conte and it constitues a much bigger part of being a football coach. Subs won't mean shit if your tactic is terrible and your players weak both physically and mentally.

All I'm saying is that hiring Carrera as a first-team coach would be the same kind of gamble as hiring Ferrara was back in the day. We are way past such gambles as a club. If we want to change coach we should only do this if we have a proper, experienced and, if possible, world-class replacement.

 

[JCK]

But overall the league is stronger.

Only because we are weaker.

 

[JuveJay]

Napoli, Fiorentina and (arguably, thus far) Inter are stronger than last year because Juventus are weaker? More like they are an extra place higher because Juve are weaker.

 

[duranfj]

Serie a teams are better this year but the lack of experience make all toó unconsistent...

 

[Post Ironic]

How is Serie A weaker than the past 4 seasons?

Because the team leading Serie A is in last place in their Europa League group. No, not champions league, but Europa.

Serie A didn't improve. No star of players were brought in from other leagues in the summer mercato. Players were bought from around the league, scraps and flops were bought from other leagues, and the league lost several of its best players, the likes of Tevez, Vidal, Darmian, etc.

 

[Ocelot]

Because the team leading Serie A is in last place in their Europa League group. No, not champions league, but Europa.

Serie A didn't improve. No star of players were brought in from other leagues in the summer mercato. Players were bought from around the league, scraps and flops were bought from other leagues, and the league lost several of its best players, the likes of Tevez, Vidal, Darmian, etc.

Inter & Milan are clearly better than last season, Napoli as well arguably. And putting Darmian in the same sentence with Tevez & Vidal....well

 

[duranfj]

Bacca, jovetic, as, jgc, Miranda, murillo, Mario suarez, dzeko, kondogbia... Its better for sure

 

[JCK]

Napoli, Fiorentina and (arguably, thus far) Inter are stronger than last year because Juventus are weaker? More like they are an extra place higher because Juve are weaker.

These teams get that extra confidence when Juve is not around

 

[Post Ironic]

Bacca, jovetic, as, jgc, Miranda, murillo, Mario suarez, dzeko, kondogbia... Its better for sure

Dzeko? He scored 7 goals last year. Has 1 this year. Jovetic is overrated by far, as is Kondogbia. Alex Sandro isn't a starter. Cuadrado only starts because we suck. Bacca, Suarez, Miranda are the only real improvements to the league, and very minor. Especially when compared to losing Tevez and Vidal and Darmian who are far better than any of those you listed.

 

[Ocelot]

Dzeko? He scored 7 goals last year. Has 1 this year. Jovetic is overrated by far, as is Kondogbia. Alex Sandro isn't a starter. Cuadrado only starts because we suck. Bacca, Suarez, Miranda are the only real improvements to the league, and very minor. Especially when compared to losing Tevez and Vidal and Darmian who are far better than any of those you listed.

How is Darmian better than Sandro?