Massimiliano Allegri (195 Viewers)

[dolph]

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And we trash them very severely almost every time we met.
Maybe because he win the title that first year with a completely new team coming from a 7-th place.Maybe because he was a coach at Juve ,not at Fiorentina.He is thousand times better motivator of the players and have ultra clear ideas.MAybe he is stubborn but he is the best in Italy.Yes he failed at CL .
I can continue but what is the purpose of comparing this two.

You mean Montella who took a Fiorentina that where relegation struglers and taking them to 4 fourth place finishes in a row, White probably playing the most attractive football in Italy. Bringing them to the quarter final and the semifinal in EL.
I really dont remember Juve trashing Fiorentina in the Conte vs Montella years. The only thing i remember was a bunch of even games even though Conte had a lot better player material to work with. Infact the only time i remember anybody getting severly bet was the 4-2 game in Florence. Mayby you could fill me in on the the severly bettings that we gave Montellas Fiorentina.

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Around where?

Italy?

Yes Italy. I remember Lippi, Sachi and Trappatoni all praising him.

 

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[WΏΏdy?]

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[DeviAngel]

Klop
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[Hist]

How did Montella flop. He did excellent in Fiorentina and Catania. He even did good in Roma in his short spell there. He has been recognised by a lot of other tactician as one of the biggest coaching talents around.

He did a terrible job at Roma and lasted only for 1 season before getting the sack for finishing 6th or 7th place I can't remember.
With Catania they were just Catania. He didnt surprise to indicate he is anything special and he didnt disappoint.
With Fiorentina he has consistently been a 4th place kind of guy regardless of how well or poorly the clubs he is competing with are. There was no progress in fiorentina during his reign of 3 years. Why the hell would I want someone who never impressed, flopped at one big team and whose best time was maintaining the status quo at fiorentina for 3 years?

Prandelli did a much better job at fiorentina, and once led a miserable azzuri to the Euro final before finally flopping with the Azzzuri and Galata. He, unlike montella has some great moments but also plenty of bad ones hence not good enough for Juve.

I am surprised you are defending montella and not prandelli... montella has nothing to be proud of, prandelli has multiple exploits with fiorentina and a Euro final.

 

[Rollie]

Certainly

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[Fake Melo]

The only relevant option

 

[Vlad]

Would be an absolutely terrible idea to fire Allegri, IMO.

The club needs continuity right now, and of course he's more than earned the chance to work his way out of this mess.

This. He fucked up so far, some of the tactical choices left most of us flabbergasted, along with his omission of certain players (Dybala), but he has earned enough credit (double and CL final) to be given more time, at least till Christmas. I really can't see club letting him go before the end of season tbh.

 

[dolph]

He did a terrible job at Roma and lasted only for 1 season before getting the sack for finishing 6th or 7th place I can't remember.
With Catania they were just Catania. He didnt surprise to indicate he is anything special and he didnt disappoint.
With Fiorentina he has consistently been a 4th place kind of guy regardless of how well or poorly the clubs he is competing with are. There was no progress in fiorentina during his reign of 3 years. Why the hell would I want someone who never impressed, flopped at one big team and whose best time was maintaining the status quo at fiorentina for 3 years?

Prandelli did a much better job at fiorentina, and once led a miserable azzuri to the Euro final before finally flopping with the Azzzuri and Galata. He, unlike montella has some great moments but also plenty of bad ones hence not good enough for Juve.

I am surprised you are defending montella and not prandelli... montella has nothing to be proud of, prandelli has multiple exploits with fiorentina and a Euro final.

With Roma he took over midway through the season after Raniere when Roma was strugling with relegation and got them to 6th place. With Catania he took a team that everybody thought would get relegated and got them to 7 or 8th place. With Fiorentina he took a team that almost got relegated the year before and almost got them 3rd place.he gave them a clear identity playing attractive football. Every place he had gone he has got the best out of the team at his disposal and I think that is the kind of coach we need. I think that he will do exceptionally well at a big club. I think he has the abilities and the personality for it.
I dont like Prandelli because he has problems given the teams he train identity and seems to be a bit fragile mentaly.

 

[Hist]

Lets face it there is no one available that would do better than Allegri. Mourinho is at Chelsea, wont coach us even if he was available and is super expensive. Ancellotti is very expensive too and is having an operation.

Conte left only a season ago I dont see what could convince him to come now when we are in crisis given that he left when we were at the top of serie A. If management couldnt talk him into staying a year ago its going to be harder now and either way he is at the azzuri until after the euros.

Klopp is available but his last season was horrendous. If his previous record with BVB vindicates him then Allegri's history vindicates allegri.

Montella and Prandelli don't have what it takes to coach Juve. No consistent winning record or even over-performing record.
Simeone isn't going anywhere.

Give Allegri time to get Marchisio back and use the game plan from last season. He managed to get Milan to recover using Shaarawy for half a season and balotelli for the other half. If he can pull that Milan back to a top 3 position then he should be able to do it with Juve and unlike in Milan he will have money to spend in transfer windows to address the CM, SS and CAM issues of the squad.

Similarly Marotta has the best director performance in all top clubs. He might have screwed up this window because he didnt prioritize a distributor CM to replace pirlo and a ready made SS to replace Tevez but again I don't see any other director that is doing a better job let alone one we could actually sign.

Stick with Allegri and Marotta until marchisio comes back. If allegri still cant get the game plan back with marchisio orchestrating the midfield then we can consider sacking allegri if a better coach is available.

 

[dolph]

Lets face it there is no one available that would do better than Allegri. Mourinho is at Chelsea, wont coach us even if he was available and is super expensive. Ancellotti is very expensive too and is having an operation.

Conte left only a season ago I dont see what could convince him to come now when we are in crisis given that he left when we were at the top of serie A. If management couldnt talk him into staying a year ago its going to be harder now and either way he is at the azzuri until after the euros.

Klopp is available but his last season was horrendous. If his previous record with BVB vindicates him then Allegri's history vindicates allegri.

Montella and Prandelli don't have what it takes to coach Juve. No consistent winning record or even over-performing record.
Simeone isn't going anywhere.

Give Allegri time to get Marchisio back and use the game plan from last season. He managed to get Milan to recover using Shaarawy for half a season and balotelli for the other half. If he can pull that Milan back to a top 3 position then he should be able to do it with Juve and unlike in Milan he will have money to spend in transfer windows to address the CM, SS and CAM issues of the squad.

Similarly Marotta has the best director performance in all top clubs. He might have screwed up this window because he didnt prioritize a distributor CM to replace pirlo and a ready made SS to replace Tevez but again I don't see any other director that is doing a better job let alone one we could actually sign.

Stick with Allegri and Marotta until marchisio comes back. If allegri still cant get the game plan back with marchisio orchestrating the midfield then we can consider sacking allegri if a better coach is available.

I love how you dont respond to my post about Montella and just conclude that he does not have a record of overperforming when he clearly has.
That being said I do agree that Allegri should be given the benefit of the doubt given the season we just had. Evaluate him after the season or atleast when he has had the chance to get Khedira, Marchisio and Mandzu back and fully fit.

 

[Dominic]

Starts with the management mate. Its clear as day to me, that Allegri hasn't got the players he asked for. Pretty sure nobody in their right mind would let go of Vidal to settle for Hernanes. The pre-season itself was poorly planned. Just the fact that he's tinkering so much shows that he has no clear ideas for the players brought to his disposal. Which also is further highlighted by our pattern of prioritising opportunities over and above actual strategic moves based on position and tactics. Getting Cuadrado and letting go of Coman. Selling Vidal and buying Hernanes and Lemina on the last day, just show that we have had no plan halfway through the mercato. Feels like theyve reached their ceiling. If the club is to progress on the european stage then it needs people who know how to sell big and buy big in return. This is the kind of season I would understand if we were building a team from scratch, i absolutely refuse to accept the state of the team after the season we just had on the european and domestic stages. This is not the sign of progress. It is a sign of confusion and lack of cohesiveness between management and coach. Highlighted further by the way Conte left. Maybe an assumption at this point, but one can see where his frustration perhaps came from.

Very well put, baggio!

Thats so hard to swallow. We had one of the best teams in europe, almost won it all. And a couple weeks later, theres nothing left of it. Unforgivable.

 

[juventus4life]

I don't see any coach worth leading Juve except Ancelotti. Not Montella, Spaletti, Prandelli, Capello, Conte, Donadoni, etc. Too bad Ancelotti doesn't want us. I like Allegri to stay but the how he managed the team get back to winning way is a separate issue.

 

[Ventus]

Very well put, baggio!

Thats so hard to swallow. We had one of the best teams in europe, almost won it all. And a couple weeks later, theres nothing left of it. Unforgivable.

it's called doing a A.Madrid and a Dortmund. It comes with selling your best players and buying quantity rather than quality

 

[Hist]

I love how you dont respond to my post about Montella and just conclude that he does not have a record of overperforming when he clearly has.
That being said I do agree that Allegri should be given the benefit of the doubt given the season we just had. Evaluate him after the season or atleast when he has had the chance to get Khedira, Marchisio and Mandzu back and fully fit.

You posted it while I was writing my post so I didn't see it before mine was out.

I do not agree with you that he over-performed at all. Over performing would be getting into the CL with Fiorentina and putting on some performance there. A fourth place finish is exactly whats expected of Fiorentina. Juve cemented the champion position but there were two spots up for grabs. In 2012 it was Napoli and an utterly horrible Milan that bettered fiorentina. In 2013 it was Roma and Napoli and in 2014 it was Roma and Lazio.

Similarly 6th place with Roma is not excellent in any sense. He took over during the season I know but I do not remember anyone seeing him as anything but an interim coach and he was unsurprisingly let go of at the end of their season. He went to Catania which is at best a mid-table team which is not the kind of job you'd get if you've just transformed Roma. I am just not seeing why you are so impressed with him that you dare compare him with a coach of Conte or Allegri's caliber let alone say he is better than them.

 

[DUKAC]

You mean Montella who took a Fiorentina that where relegation struglers and taking them to 4 fourth place finishes in a row, White probably playing the most attractive football in Italy. Bringing them to the quarter final and the semifinal in EL.
I really dont remember Juve trashing Fiorentina in the Conte vs Montella years. The only thing i remember was a bunch of even games even though Conte had a lot better player material to work with. Infact the only time i remember anybody getting severly bet was the 4-2 game in Florence. Mayby you could fill me in on the the severly bettings that we gave Montellas Fiorentina.

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Yes Italy. I remember Lippi, Sachi and Trappatoni all praising him.

What a master coach. Bringing them to 4 place in Serie A, IN A ROW.Wow, what a success!!!.4 -th place and in a row.Marvelous!!!
Well that might be good for the rats but not for us.
You are referring to that game where we lead 2-0 up to 75 minute and conceded 4 goals in 15 minutes.Once in a lifetime.Most weird match in this century.
Apart from that game our statistics are:
-9.02.2013- 2-0 for us,Montella coach,
-9.03.2014--1-0 for us,Montella coach.
And especially this narrow win at Coppa Italia
7.04.2015
away 3-0 win for us,normally Montella coach,as I say at their turf.

Anyway bringing them to a huge success as being at EL semifinal is a prestigious reference for further coaching at ,let's say Lazio,Genoa,Sampdoria,Udinese etc . but not Juve.He simply isn't a Juve material.Like DelNeri/Ranieri ,Zacheroni who,badly for us were never a Juve material coaches and still were here.He is better than them obviously but still not worth for Juve.

 

[italiacalcio10]

If he is fired, it's gotta be Ancelotti. That being said, this isn't only Allegri's fault.
-Not only has the team seen 1/3 of the squad turnover, but several key players including Morata, Khedira, Marchisio, Asamoah, Mandzukic, Cacares, and Lichtsteiner have been injured throughout the year so far.
-Management didn't do a great job of replacing the departed players, especially considering the bandaid in Hernanes the team brought in.
-The team's schedule hasn't been easy. Both Napoli & Roma are hard matchups, and improved teams since last year. Both matchups were away games. The matches against Chievo, Frosinone, and Udinese were embarrassing though.

He deserves at least a chance with a semi-healthy squad.

 

[.zero]

Very well put, baggio!

Thats so hard to swallow. We had one of the best teams in europe, almost won it all. And a couple weeks later, theres nothing left of it. Unforgivable.

@Dominic !!

 

[Fr3sh]

Would be an absolutely terrible idea to fire Allegri, IMO.

The club needs continuity right now, and of course he's more than earned the chance to work his way out of this mess.

Absolutely. Just keep allegri until Deschamps is available.

 

[duranfj]

You are kidding right?

Not... Padoin, hernanes, lemina, pereyra and zaza... Some goods subs, other just numerical players

 

[DeviAngel]

And after the CL tie which will be won, we will start getting points with Khedira and Marchisio being back. For Napoli he had his flaws but before we really were unlucky. Our bad fortune will run out. Allegri will do good this season too.