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Jupentus

Junior Member
Jul 29, 2015
60
After drawn to serie b, loosing all the stars, finish#7, wasting sooo much money with un-successful mercato, with so low revenue ...now this team has 4th scudetti in a row!! Plus defeat Real Madrid!!

How can people did not trust this team? even became more strange phenomenon when that people actually are juventini?
 

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Juventino[RUS]

Senior Member
Mar 9, 2006
29,038
Like i've said it before - he became Conte v2 with this gimme playmaker or imma quit bullshit and stubbornness :sergio: he doesn't even want to try Pogba, Dybala as CAM :sergio: you have the best talent in the world but you wont him develop into playmaker :sergio:
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,758
You trying to tell an accomplished coach how to set up his team? He hasnt complained a single time you mofo. But this is all about tactics, for him to use his favourite formation, he needs a nr 10 attacking midfielder for that role. If he doesn't get it, it won't work and will try something else.

Pogba is a top CM and Dybala an excellent forward, there is no reason to play them out of position just for the heck of it.
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
Allegri: Dybala wont play behind forwards. If we don't get the 10, I will change the system.

Welcome 352 :sergio:.
It doesn't have to mean we're going back to 352. We don't have enough CBs to play it constantly. He said "I'll change the system" which IMO indicates he'd move to something new. With 352 he doesn't change anything.

He might lean towards one CF and wingers - 433. If it happens Zaza will barely get to see the pitch but whatever. I doubt he'd consider 4231 since he claims he has no #10 for 4312.


Buffon/Neto
Licht/Caceres - Bonucci/Barzagli - Chiellini/Rugani - Evra/Padoin
Khedira/Sturaro - Marchisio/Padoin - Pogba/Asamoah
Dybala/* - Morata/Mandzukic - Pereyra/Coman

* - new winger like Cuadrado?

Or maybe Allegri considers Morata as winger which would mean:
Dybala/Pereyra - Mandzukic/Zaza - Morata/Coman

It's funny Allegri said Dybala can't play as #10 while Beppe yesterday claimed he can :lol:
 

Juventino[RUS]

Senior Member
Mar 9, 2006
29,038
You trying to tell an accomplished coach how to set up his team? He hasnt complained a single time you mofo. But this is all about tactics, for him to use his favourite formation, he needs a nr 10 attacking midfielder for that role. If he doesn't get it, it won't work and will try something else.

Pogba is a top CM and Dybala an excellent forward, there is no reason to play them out of position just for the heck of it.
Don't act like coaches never make mistakes because of their stuborrness or stupidity, He used boateng as tq in Milan, boa fucking teng, yet he doesn't want to try Paul or Paulo, who are much better players than boateng ever was. Zidane was cm too, pirlo was forward, we even gave a chance to Vidal and Pereyra to try themselves as tq yet you telling me that we can't give the same chance to Paul :sergio: instead, he tried Morata as left winger and I guess you was ok about it?! :lol:
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,758
The fact he had to use Boateng, Vidal and Pereyra as AMs because he isn't given anything else is exactly why he says give me a real AM or I will change formation.

Pogba is a classic CM who is best using his physical and technical qualities by covering and winning of alot of ground. Also much better space to exploit for him deeper and wide with his skillset, then so close to the forwards as an AM would be.

You use players where they are their best, and Dybala is better as close as possible to the attacking third, he can be as creative as roaming forward as he would be AM, but difference being later would have him bit more lost and less dangerous since he isn't close enough to the decisive moments. He will have hard enough time settling in and becoming a difference maker, you don't make it worse by playing him out of his element and deeper as is.
 

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,584
Juventino[RUS];5037563 said:
Like i've said it before - he became Conte v2 with this gimme playmaker or imma quit bullshit and stubbornness :sergio: he doesn't even want to try Pogba, Dybala as CAM :sergio: you have the best talent in the world but you wont him develop into playmaker :sergio:
:tup:
He would do wonders there, would be better even then Nedved 2003.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
22,514
The fact he had to use Boateng, Vidal and Pereyra as AMs because he isn't given anything else is exactly why he says give me a real AM or I will change formation.

Pogba is a classic CM who is best using his physical and technical qualities by covering and winning of alot of ground. Also much better space to exploit for him deeper and wide with his skillset, then so close to the forwards as an AM would be.

You use players where they are their best, and Dybala is better as close as possible to the attacking third, he can be as creative as roaming forward as he would be AM, but difference being later would have him bit more lost and less dangerous since he isn't close enough to the decisive moments. He will have hard enough time settling in and becoming a difference maker, you don't make it worse by playing him out of his element and deeper as is.

:agree:

And playing Dybala as an AM will expose him to the physicality of other teams, they could play him phyiscal if he's far from the box, something they can't do or they will be cautious about if he's closer to the goal.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,416
Good press conference from Allegri, I like how he asks for what he wants in a composed manner and still is ready for a system change if he doesn't get what he wants. Similar to what he suffered at Milan.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,967
He said he sees gotze as more an attacker, draxler as more of a mid. If a 10 doesn't come he will change formation. Said we played 4 3 3 last year, 3 5 2.
 

Juventino[RUS]

Senior Member
Mar 9, 2006
29,038
The fact he had to use Boateng, Vidal and Pereyra as AMs because he isn't given anything else is exactly why he says give me a real AM or I will change formation.

Pogba is a classic CM who is best using his physical and technical qualities by covering and winning of alot of ground. Also much better space to exploit for him deeper and wide with his skillset, then so close to the forwards as an AM would be.

You use players where they are their best, and Dybala is better as close as possible to the attacking third, he can be as creative as roaming forward as he would be AM, but difference being later would have him bit more lost and less dangerous since he isn't close enough to the decisive moments. He will have hard enough time settling in and becoming a difference maker, you don't make it worse by playing him out of his element and deeper as is.
1) He had Cassano and Seedorf to use them as TQ but he didn't, he even used VB over Pirlo and wanted to use pirlo as another cm, not as deep lying midfielder, and he did the same with Khedira in Juventus in friendlies, when he placed him on the Pirlo's place instead of Marchisio, so yes he did mistakes in his career and only time will show us if he is wrong or right about pogba and tq role
2) No, Pogba is not classic CM, because of his physical conditions everyone thought that he is typical african DM when he was young and joined juventus while we know now that he is much better than this, he is useless when it comes to defending, he is useless when it comes to b2b runs, we have move to him forward and give him a free role, he just need to improve his passing abilities and vision and the only way to do it to let him play under the pair of forwards, that's it, we have to give him the chance to become 2nd zidane or call it whatever you want, you dig his talent if you use him far way from the opponents box, that's why he stagnated in the previous season, he didn't make step forward
3) You use developed players where they are their best, while for youngsters you can find a better place on the field with your vision as head coach, that's what Mazzone did to Pirlo
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
22,514
Concerning what you said abot Pogba Rus, You can't develop vision and field awarness, you either have it or not, it's not a skill like passing or shooting.....

You play him as a CM, give him freedom and that's it.
 

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