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AlexOB

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2014
701
"Restore our arrogance" :lol: Yeah, this is what this team lacks. :sergio:

If ever we're more arrogant than the past years and this affects our team, infact we never had so many late wins like this years, in decisive matches too, but hey...

I wonder how you came out thinking this.
 

AlexOB

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2014
701
"Restore our arrogance" :lol: Yeah, this is what this team lacks. :sergio:

If ever we're more arrogant than the past years and this affects our team, infact we never had so many late wins like this years, in decisive matches too, but hey...

I wonder how you came out thinking this.
 

Paid-off-Ref

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2004
4,102
Dortmund now is the bitter poison Italian teams have become familiar with, the driven underperforming underdog that they should win but don't.

Will he still be referred to as EuroMax if we fail to get passed Dortmund?
 

Paid-off-Ref

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2004
4,102
Dortmund now is the bitter poison Italian teams have become familiar with, the driven underperforming underdog that they should win but don't.

Will he still be referred to as EuroMax if we fail to get passed Dortmund?
 

AlexOB

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2014
701
Dortmund now is the bitter poison Italian teams have become familiar with, the driven underperforming underdog that they should win but don't.
Wow, what a perfect picture of the situation. I guess we're already knocked out then.

I'd ask you other cases of this "bitter poison teams" and why we should be compared to other italian teams just to improve my knowledge.
 

AlexOB

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2014
701
Dortmund now is the bitter poison Italian teams have become familiar with, the driven underperforming underdog that they should win but don't.
Wow, what a perfect picture of the situation. I guess we're already knocked out then.

I'd ask you other cases of this "bitter poison teams" and why we should be compared to other italian teams just to improve my knowledge.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,616
"Restore our arrogance" :lol: Yeah, this is what this team lacks. :sergio:

If ever we're more arrogant than the past years and this affects our team, infact we never had so many late wins like this years, in decisive matches too, but hey...

I wonder how you came out thinking this.
Recall how we played during Conte's first two seasons both in Serie A and in Europe in the second season. We were out to kill our opponents. Confidence was high, we were fearless and we were always confident that we can get the job done. We even had that winning mentality in the build up to the bayern match and as fans we all thought that we had a good chance to progress. After they schooled us we lost that winning mentality in Europe and Conte failed to resurrect it. The only time when we came close was against madrid but we threw away all the good work in that match. After our exit, the fans and Conte himself was broken and the pressure got to him and to the squad.

With this squad, a Juve firing on all cylinders should play in Europe with the attitude of 2012 and should be confident about reaching the semi-final unless we get tough opposition like Bayern, Madrid, Barca or this year's Chelsea at an earlier stage.

The arrogance I am speaking of is not complacency, it is authority on the field, high focus at the back and energy in the midfield. A determination and momentum in winning regardless of opposition.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,616
"Restore our arrogance" :lol: Yeah, this is what this team lacks. :sergio:

If ever we're more arrogant than the past years and this affects our team, infact we never had so many late wins like this years, in decisive matches too, but hey...

I wonder how you came out thinking this.
Recall how we played during Conte's first two seasons both in Serie A and in Europe in the second season. We were out to kill our opponents. Confidence was high, we were fearless and we were always confident that we can get the job done. We even had that winning mentality in the build up to the bayern match and as fans we all thought that we had a good chance to progress. After they schooled us we lost that winning mentality in Europe and Conte failed to resurrect it. The only time when we came close was against madrid but we threw away all the good work in that match. After our exit, the fans and Conte himself was broken and the pressure got to him and to the squad.

With this squad, a Juve firing on all cylinders should play in Europe with the attitude of 2012 and should be confident about reaching the semi-final unless we get tough opposition like Bayern, Madrid, Barca or this year's Chelsea at an earlier stage.

The arrogance I am speaking of is not complacency, it is authority on the field, high focus at the back and energy in the midfield. A determination and momentum in winning regardless of opposition.
 

italiacalcio10

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
Recall how we played during Conte's first two seasons both in Serie A and in Europe in the second season. We were out to kill our opponents. Confidence was high, we were fearless and we were always confident that we can get the job done. We even had that winning mentality in the build up to the bayern match and as fans we all thought that we had a good chance to progress. After they schooled us we lost that winning mentality in Europe and Conte failed to resurrect it. The only time when we came close was against madrid but we threw away all the good work in that match. After our exit, the fans and Conte himself was broken and the pressure got to him and to the squad.

With this squad, a Juve firing on all cylinders should play in Europe with the attitude of 2012 and should be confident about reaching the semi-final unless we get tough opposition like Bayern, Madrid, Barca or this year's Chelsea at an earlier stage.

The arrogance I am speaking of is not complacency, it is authority on the field, high focus at the back and energy in the midfield. A determination and momentum in winning regardless of opposition.
I think people forget how different that Juve team was that lost to Bayern. Our attack was atrocious compared to what it is now. If we add a true elite attacking midfielder, our 4-3-2-1 will be elite. It is already very good right now. My only criticism with the current personnel, other than the lack of a CAM is Llorente at center forward, who I don't believe is ideal for the formation. He's too much of a target man, while we could use a complete forward type, which is why I think we're obsessed with Falcao. I honestly think we missed a huge opportunity with Mandzukic given his finishing, aerial ability, defensive presence and mobility.

Wesley Sneijder would be a great short term solution, the fact that he is cup-tied really taints the opportunity.
 

italiacalcio10

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
Recall how we played during Conte's first two seasons both in Serie A and in Europe in the second season. We were out to kill our opponents. Confidence was high, we were fearless and we were always confident that we can get the job done. We even had that winning mentality in the build up to the bayern match and as fans we all thought that we had a good chance to progress. After they schooled us we lost that winning mentality in Europe and Conte failed to resurrect it. The only time when we came close was against madrid but we threw away all the good work in that match. After our exit, the fans and Conte himself was broken and the pressure got to him and to the squad.

With this squad, a Juve firing on all cylinders should play in Europe with the attitude of 2012 and should be confident about reaching the semi-final unless we get tough opposition like Bayern, Madrid, Barca or this year's Chelsea at an earlier stage.

The arrogance I am speaking of is not complacency, it is authority on the field, high focus at the back and energy in the midfield. A determination and momentum in winning regardless of opposition.
I think people forget how different that Juve team was that lost to Bayern. Our attack was atrocious compared to what it is now. If we add a true elite attacking midfielder, our 4-3-2-1 will be elite. It is already very good right now. My only criticism with the current personnel, other than the lack of a CAM is Llorente at center forward, who I don't believe is ideal for the formation. He's too much of a target man, while we could use a complete forward type, which is why I think we're obsessed with Falcao. I honestly think we missed a huge opportunity with Mandzukic given his finishing, aerial ability, defensive presence and mobility.

Wesley Sneijder would be a great short term solution, the fact that he is cup-tied really taints the opportunity.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,616
I think people forget how different that Juve team was that lost to Bayern. Our attack was atrocious compared to what it is now. If we add a true elite attacking midfielder, our 4-3-2-1 will be elite. It is already very good right now. My only criticism with the current personnel, other than the lack of a CAM is Llorente at center forward, who I don't believe is ideal for the formation. He's too much of a target man, while we could use a complete forward type, which is why I think we're obsessed with Falcao. I honestly think we missed a huge opportunity with Mandzukic given his finishing, aerial ability, defensive presence and mobility.

Wesley Sneijder would be a great short term solution, the fact that he is cup-tied really taints the opportunity.
I agree Sneijder might be a short term improvement and falcao would be good for 2-3 more years and we did miss an opportunity with Mandzukic.

Character, however, is a bigger problem for us in Europe more than players. With the right additions we can at best be the pre-mourinho Madrid with this mentality.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,616
I think people forget how different that Juve team was that lost to Bayern. Our attack was atrocious compared to what it is now. If we add a true elite attacking midfielder, our 4-3-2-1 will be elite. It is already very good right now. My only criticism with the current personnel, other than the lack of a CAM is Llorente at center forward, who I don't believe is ideal for the formation. He's too much of a target man, while we could use a complete forward type, which is why I think we're obsessed with Falcao. I honestly think we missed a huge opportunity with Mandzukic given his finishing, aerial ability, defensive presence and mobility.

Wesley Sneijder would be a great short term solution, the fact that he is cup-tied really taints the opportunity.
I agree Sneijder might be a short term improvement and falcao would be good for 2-3 more years and we did miss an opportunity with Mandzukic.

Character, however, is a bigger problem for us in Europe more than players. With the right additions we can at best be the pre-mourinho Madrid with this mentality.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
I agree Sneijder might be a short term improvement and falcao would be good for 2-3 more years and we did miss an opportunity with Mandzukic.

Character, however, is a bigger problem for us in Europe more than players. With the right additions we can at best be the pre-mourinho Madrid with this mentality.
Falcao is 28. if we sign him he would last atleast 5-6 years i guess
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
I agree Sneijder might be a short term improvement and falcao would be good for 2-3 more years and we did miss an opportunity with Mandzukic.

Character, however, is a bigger problem for us in Europe more than players. With the right additions we can at best be the pre-mourinho Madrid with this mentality.
Falcao is 28. if we sign him he would last atleast 5-6 years i guess
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,616
last yes but at what level. He is already struggling with injuries and hasnt recovered his atletico form. He doesnt strike me as a player that will remain world class for very long.

I'd very much rather go for someone 25 or 27 but without recurring injury problems. If its a tevez like price I'd take him now no second thoughts about it.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,616
last yes but at what level. He is already struggling with injuries and hasnt recovered his atletico form. He doesnt strike me as a player that will remain world class for very long.

I'd very much rather go for someone 25 or 27 but without recurring injury problems. If its a tevez like price I'd take him now no second thoughts about it.
 

AlexOB

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2014
701
Dortmund 1997, Real Madrid 1998, Deportivo 2004, Liverpool 2005, Arsenal 2006, Galatasaray 2013.

You can look up other Italian teams yourself.
How are those bitter poison teams that underperformed? :lol: Jesus

Let's forget that half of those were lost for big referee mistakes (Dortmund, Madrid, Liverpool)... Then Gala didn't beat us in a knockout

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Recall how we played during Conte's first two seasons both in Serie A and in Europe in the second season. We were out to kill our opponents. Confidence was high, we were fearless and we were always confident that we can get the job done. We even had that winning mentality in the build up to the bayern match and as fans we all thought that we had a good chance to progress. After they schooled us we lost that winning mentality in Europe and Conte failed to resurrect it. The only time when we came close was against madrid but we threw away all the good work in that match. After our exit, the fans and Conte himself was broken and the pressure got to him and to the squad.

With this squad, a Juve firing on all cylinders should play in Europe with the attitude of 2012 and should be confident about reaching the semi-final unless we get tough opposition like Bayern, Madrid, Barca or this year's Chelsea at an earlier stage.

The arrogance I am speaking of is not complacency, it is authority on the field, high focus at the back and energy in the midfield. A determination and momentum in winning regardless of opposition.
I agree with all of this dude. I was just debating the fact that we don't have that "arrogance" (let's call it like this) even in Italy ;)
 

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